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Psa 5:5, The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psa 5:6, Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
Psa 7:11, God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
I am only quoting a few of the scriptures that speak on this subject in order to get a response.
It should be clear that the LORD abhors the bloody and deceitful man and that He hates all workers of iniquity.
He also, judges even the righteous; and is angry with the wicked every day.
Thoughts and comments?.
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I know that there are a few here who will discount the above scriptures as "not being in conjunction with the idea of God's agape love"
You just ignore the context that controlled the interpretation of any inspirations from God, JBF. To our ancient ancestors, God is the cause of everything that ever happens, including their own decisions and actions. They saw Him as wrathful and vengeful and needing to be appeased by blood sacrifices. That context cannot be ignored when reading how they wrote things. To them, God had all the same emotions as we do, hate, anger, desire for vengeance, justice, etc. Therefore, explaining the existence of spiritual consequences would automatically be interpreted as judgments and punishments imposed by God.
It is that misunderstanding of God born of the early experiences described in the fables of the Bible and the Mosaic schoolmaster stage of obedience training using fear of God that had to be corrected. That is one of the reasons why Jesus was sent, NOT to pay for some ill-described "sins of mankind" or whatever. If there were a Satan, corrupting that central message of God's True Nature and Holy Spirit of agape love would be the most effective false teaching imaginable. It has certainly proved to be so for millennia.
I like to exalt my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ; which is exactly what I have been doing here.
But you do NOT exalt our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, JBF, you exalt the Bible! You accept things in the Bible that directly contradict God's Holy Spirit of agape love as revealed and unambiguously demonstrated by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
But you do NOT exalt our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, JBF, you exalt the Bible! You accept things in the Bible that directly contradict God's Holy Spirit of agape love as revealed and unambiguously demonstrated by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Look at what you're saying, Mystic, you know as well as I that JBF exalts Christ and honors the scripture.
It's checkup time for honesty while in debate! No excuse for this when you know it's not true!
Look at what you're saying, Mystic, you know as well as I that JBF exalts Christ and honors the scripture.
It's checkup time for honesty while in debate! No excuse for this when you know it's not true!
I know you and JBF WANT to exalt our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Charlie. The problem is you have been deceived into believing that interpreting everything in the Bible as if it comes from a wrathful and vengeful God is exalting Jesus. It is NOT. It is the opposite.
I know you and JBF WANT to exalt our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Charlie. The problem is you have been deceived into believing that interpreting everything in the Bible as if it comes from a wrathful and vengeful God is exalting Jesus. It is NOT. It is the opposite.
God is love.
God is holy.
They are fully descriptive of God... both of them.
God is love.
God is holy.
They are fully descriptive of God... both of them.
But you are using our ignorant ancient ancestors' beliefs about God to interpret what that means. You insist that Holy must mean He is Just and you impose human concepts of justice involving punishment on God's justice. But the human concepts of justice are based on wrath and vengeance and punishment because we are flawed and have no other recourse down here.
To our ancient ancestors, God is the cause of everything that ever happens, including their own decisions and actions. They saw God as wrathful and vengeful and needing to be appeased by blood sacrifices. That context cannot be ignored when reading how they wrote things. Our carnal-minded ancestors considered all negative consequences as the result of God's wrath and judgment, even if it was what they did, period.
They did not lie about it in the scriptures. They just could not see it any other way. They did not know any better. To them, God had all the same emotions as we do, hate, anger, desire for vengeance, justice, etc. Therefore, when explaining the existence of any negative spiritual consequences they received as inspirations they would automatically interpret them as judgments and punishments imposed by God.
"Those who are born of God do not and cannot sin (1 John 3:9 )"
in physical world the Cross Event had happened , say some 2000 years ago.
As above so below.
it can not be undone. Properties of the Cosmos had changed.
So called original sin had been wiped in the Event via the Second Adam
“The first man Adam became a living being the last Adam became a life-giving spirit."
"Those who are born of God do not and cannot sin (1 John 3:9 )"
in physical world the Cross Event had happened , say some 2000 years ago.
As above so below.
it can not be undone. Properties of the Cosmos had changed.
So called original sin had been wiped in the Event via the Second Adam
“The first man Adam became a living being the last Adam became a life-giving spirit."
Yet, the apostle Paul lamented the fact that he did continue to sin. So perhaps you're reading John wrong.
But you are using our ignorant ancient ancestors' beliefs about God...
blah blah blah
Funny thing is, you wouldn't know who Jesus is if not for those "ignorant ancient ancestors".
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