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Not according to 2nd temple period Judaism which clearly depicts the Nephilim as half angelic and half human offspring of the mating of angels and human women.
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
So, if all but eight people were wiped out by the flood, how could the Nephilim still exist in the land after the flood?...
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Originally Posted by Michael Way
There was no global flood. Geology proves that. The fact remains that 2nd Temple period Judaism believed, as shown by 1st Enoch among other writings, that the Nephilim were the offspring of angelic and human mating.
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Originally Posted by Meerkat2
No global flood then, no angelic/human breeding then
Those thing looked forward to being fulfilled at the appointed time, in a broader, more global way I believe
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The interbreeding of rebellious angels with humans does not necessarily depend on a historical global flood. Having said that, the story of the interbreeding of rebellious angels with humans has as its backdrop the Mesopotamian myth of the Apkallu <snip>
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I agree with you on the flood scenario...So, what if they were wrong regarding the Nephilim?...
Mike, I probably didn’t word my comment very well and what I meant was what Richard is saying, no global flood at that time ... and I believe there was not actual angels having literal babies with human females at that time
I believe they are both stories that have symbolic meaning embedded in them
Mike, I probably didn’t word my comment very well and what I meant was what Richard is saying, no global flood at that time ... and I believe there was not actual angels having literal babies with human females at that time
I believe they are both stories that have symbolic meaning embedded in them
Could they have been the source of Giants? (Samoan and Native American people come to mind. Larger races of peoples)
There was no global flood. Geology proves that. The fact remains that 2nd Temple period Judaism believed, as shown by 1st Enoch among other writings, that the Nephilim were the offspring of angelic and human mating.
Next thing you know, you'll be telling us biology confirms that virgins can't give birth.
Mike, I probably didn’t word my comment very well and what I meant was what Richard is saying, no global flood at that time ... and I believe there was not actual angels having literal babies with human females at that time
I believe they are both stories that have symbolic meaning embedded in them
I understand that you don't believe that angels mated with human women, Meerkat. We will have to disagree on that. Both Peter and Jude stated that it was angels and there is no other event in the Hebrew Scriptures to which they could have referred than Genesis 6.
Peter in 2 Peter 2:4 where he says that the angels that sinned were cast into Tartarus. And Jude in Jude 1:6.
I see no reason why angels could not mate with human females. We are dealing with the supernatural here after all.
I understand that you don't believe that angels mated with human women, Meerkat. We will have to disagree on that. Both Peter and Jude stated that it was angels and there is no other event in the Hebrew Scriptures to which they could have referred than Genesis 6.
To be fair, no. Neither writer said that angels mated with women. It is strongly inferred from the text, but it does not outright say it.
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Peter in 2 Peter 2:4 where he says that the angels that sinned were cast into Tartarus. And Jude in Jude 1:6.
I see no reason why angels could not mate with human females. We are dealing with the supernatural here after all.
But it's okay to disagree.
After studying Jude more in-depth, I do believe that angels did mate with women. Whether or not they produced Nephilim, or the Nephilim are mentioned as a dating mechanism is unclear. But yes, this is a non-essential.
To be fair, no. Neither writer said that angels mated with women. It is strongly inferred from the text, but it does not outright say it.
You're splitting hairs. They were referring to Genesis 6 in which the sons of God mated with human females, and both Peter and Jude said that it was angels who were involved. And this is in keeping with 1 Enoch.
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After studying Jude more in-depth, I do believe that angels did mate with women. Whether or not they produced Nephilim, or the Nephilim are mentioned as a dating mechanism is unclear. But yes, this is a non-essential.
Since you are now accepting that angels can mate with human women why not accept Genesis 6:4's statement that seems to link the Nephilim with the children that were born from the angel/human mating. That is, Gen 6:4 appears to be saying that the Nephilim are the children that were born from that mating. And again, this is in keeping with 1 Enoch so it was a belief held in 2nd temple period Judaism.
I understand that you don't believe that angels mated with human women, Meerkat. We will have to disagree on that. Both Peter and Jude stated that it was angels and there is no other event in the Hebrew Scriptures to which they could have referred than Genesis 6.
Peter in 2 Peter 2:4 where he says that the angels that sinned were cast into Tartarus. And Jude in Jude 1:6.
I see no reason why angels could not mate with human females. We are dealing with the supernatural here after all.
But it's okay to disagree.
I don’t think we are disagreeing so much as having a different perspective of when/how these things take place
Its about the different layerings and timings
I believe these things (supernaturally) relate to the past 2000 years, and we now have sufficient knowledge to be able to separate the history of regions/nations and be able to match it up with the prophetic things in the Scriptures that were foretold
I agree with you on the flood scenario...So, what if they were wrong regarding the Nephilim?...
Well, apart from the Bible, apart from Christianity, apart from Judaism, laying all that aside, our reality has some strange goings on. Things pertaining to the occult, the supernatural, weird happenings. I think there's room in the supernatural realm for the Nephilim and for the demons which supposedly are the spirits of the dead Nephilim.
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