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Oh, but I beg to differ! The New Covenant made a huge difference in the identity of the "House of Israel!
There are two classifications of Jews in this present world, both being of the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to whom the promise was given. Those under the curse of the Law, and those who have been set free by Grace.
Rom. 9:30-33
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
Those who have been set free are in the Covenant that Jeremiah prophesied, they have "circumcised the heart." God in having revealed "The Mystery of Christ" to us, has added to the olive branch the Gentiles who have "circumcised the heart" in Christ. The Gentiles who are not of the physical lineage of Abraham, are the spiritual lineage of Abraham in the "circumcision of the heart," (The New covenant).
Gal. 3:6-9
"Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham."
This Richard is the "House of Israel" in the New Covenant, in Jesus Christ!
There are two classifications of Jews in this present world, both being of the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to whom the promise was given. Those under the curse of the Law, and those who have been set free by Grace.
Rom. 9:30-33
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
Those who have been set free are in the Covenant that Jeremiah prophesied, they have "circumcised the heart." God in having revealed "The Mystery of Christ" to us, has added to the olive branch the Gentiles who have "circumcised the heart" in Christ. The Gentiles who are not of the physical lineage of Abraham, are the spiritual lineage of Abraham in the "circumcision of the heart," (The New covenant).
Gal. 3:6-9
"Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham."
This Richard is the "House of Israel" in the New Covenant, in Jesus Christ!
Nope, it’s in the new covenant spoken of in Jeremiah 31 and that is the only new covenant that G-d has declared that He will make with the two Houses...
Nope, it’s in the new covenant spoken of in Jeremiah 31 and that is the only new covenant that G-d has declared that He will make with the two Houses...
Yep, that is definitely a Law keepers view who has rejected Christ!
There are two classifications of Jews in this present world, both being of the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to whom the promise was given. Those under the curse of the Law, and those who have been set free by Grace.
Rom. 9:30-33
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."
Those who have been set free are in the Covenant that Jeremiah prophesied, they have "circumcised the heart." God in having revealed "The Mystery of Christ" to us, has added to the olive branch the Gentiles who have "circumcised the heart" in Christ. The Gentiles who are not of the physical lineage of Abraham, are the spiritual lineage of Abraham in the "circumcision of the heart," (The New covenant).
Gal. 3:6-9
"Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham."
This Richard is the "House of Israel" in the New Covenant, in Jesus Christ!
This is so close to the truth and yet so wrong. It seems impossible to untangle the Gordian knot of ignorance under the veil of reading Moses that there is no reconciling the unnecessary divisions created by human vanity and hubris. Jesus made it clear that God places no conditions on His love for us or for His forgiveness for our failures to understand. Stop this bickering about who is favored by God.
Clearly, Abraham and His descendants were chosen by God to bring His Holy Spirit to us. That cannot be denied as a Christian, but that is not favoritism or exclusivity. It certainly is no reason for division or discord among us for our different understanding at whatever level of spiritual understanding we have achieved.
This is so close to the truth and yet so wrong. It seems impossible to untangle the Gordian knot of ignorance under the veil of reading Moses that there is no reconciling the unnecessary divisions created by human vanity and hubris. Jesus made it clear that God places no conditions on His love for us or for His forgiveness for our failures to understand. Stop this bickering about who is favored by God.
Clearly, Abraham and His descendants were chosen by God to bring His Holy Spirit to us. That cannot be denied as a Christian, but that is not favoritism or exclusivity. It certainly is no reason for division or discord among us for our different understanding at whatever level of spiritual understanding we have achieved.
In this case with Richard, what is the "level of spiritual understanding" that he has "achieved" in denying Christ? Not even you have done this!
In this case with Richard, what is the "level of spiritual understanding" that he has "achieved" in denying Christ? Not even you have done this!
Ah, Charlie. Don't you see the problem with you as a flawed and fallible human attempting to judge or understand the spiritual understanding of Richard and his relationship to God???? God is NOT about religions, Charlie. They are unfailingly the creations of human beings, period. We cannot determine how any religion affects or determines an individual's relationship to God. We do not have that ability, Charlie.
I will say this, it is abundantly clear to me since my experience that rigorous self-discipline is definitely part of the path to God since that is the only thing that characterized my efforts as an atheist. How else to account for my encounter??? So, who is to say the self-discipline of the Jews is NOT an essential part of their relationship to God?
Since what Jesus accomplished in His human consciousness actually applies to us ALL (whether you currently realize it or not) any imperfections in their adherence to "the law" or whatever in their love of God is certainly covered by Jesus's perfection just as surely as our imperfections are. We really need to stop differentiating ourselves from each other and God on the basis of our human vanities and hubris. We simply do not have that kind of infallible discernment, period. The love of God should bind us all.
Ah, Charlie. Don't you see the problem with you as a flawed and fallible human attempting to judge or understand the spiritual understanding of Richard and his relationship to God???? God is NOT about religions, Charlie. They are unfailingly the creations of human beings, period. We cannot determine how any religion affects or determines an individual's relationship to God. We do not have that ability, Charlie.
I will say this, it is abundantly clear to me since my experience that rigorous self-discipline is definitely part of the path to God since that is the only thing that characterized my efforts as an atheist. How else to account for my encounter??? So, who is to say the self-discipline of the Jews is NOT an essential part of their relationship to God?
Since what Jesus accomplished in His human consciousness actually applies to us ALL (whether you currently realize it or not) any imperfections in their adherence to "the law" or whatever in their love of God is certainly covered by Jesus's perfection just as surely as our imperfections are. We really need to stop differentiating ourselves from each other and God on the basis of our human vanities and hubris. We simply do not have that kind of infallible discernment, period. The love of God should bind us all.
So the scripture is a lie, man can have eternal life without Christ as Richard has chosen?
Acts 4:10-12
"Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
You better tighten up your act with our Lord, Mystic, if you expect to enter into the Kingdom of God!
So the scripture is a lie, man can have eternal life without Christ as Richard has chosen?
Charlie, Charlie, Charlie. NO ONE can have eternal life without Jesus. It is just NOT possible because He is the one who made the permanent connection to God for us. It is the ONLY WAY to God. But it has NOTHING TO DO WITH US!!! Jesus did that and it is finished!!! We can have faith in Jesus because it is TRUE. What is true is true, period! It is not true BECAUSE we have faith in Jesus and not true if we don't!!!
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