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Lord have mercy! Let me set something straight, Mystic! Our Lord being crucified for the sins of the world only made it possible to be saved! Do you understand that?
Only made it possible? Based on your autonomous acceptance which leaves you in control.
1 Timothy 2:4
... who desires ALL people to be saved and come to full knowledge of [the] truth.
It's an active, ongoing result of a previous action.
And in the ongoing result of that action; desires (wants, wills) ALL men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth. The action is indicative. Nowhere is it subjunctive, or that of being contingent or probable, nor imperative on the subject’s response. Neither is it Optative, as in being unlikely or wishful thinking that mankind might come to this salvation and knowledge.
Only made it possible? Based on your autonomous acceptance which leaves you in control.
1 Timothy 2:4
... who desires ALL people to be saved and come to full knowledge of [the] truth.
It's an active, ongoing result of a previous action.
And in the ongoing result of that action; desires (wants, wills) ALL men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth. The action is indicative. Nowhere is it subjunctive, or that of being contingent or probable, nor imperative on the subject’s response. Neither is it Optative, as in being unlikely or wishful thinking that mankind might come to this salvation and knowledge.
Jerwade, have you ever heard of comparing scripture with scripture to confirm a truth?
What you have here is a wide open verse that you have picked out and then go about to explain it to your favor! It's worthless because you have not searched the scripture to see what agrees with it and what doesn't. You can't search the scripture to properly prove this verse because you don't know what's in scripture!
Now let me show you what I'm talking about!
Matt. 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Your verse falls to the ground here, Jerwade, simply because you have no idea what scripture contains.
We see in these verses that God desires all to saved but all will not be saved. Just as God desires all men to stop sinning but all men are not going to stop sinning.
Only made it possible? Based on your autonomous acceptance which leaves you in control.
1 Timothy 2:4
... who desires ALL people to be saved and come to full knowledge of [the] truth.
It's an active, ongoing result of a previous action.
And in the ongoing result of that action; desires (wants, wills) ALL men to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth. The action is indicative. Nowhere is it subjunctive, or that of being contingent or probable, nor imperative on the subject’s response. Neither is it Optative, as in being unlikely or wishful thinking that mankind might come to this salvation and knowledge.
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Originally Posted by Charlie24
Jerwade, have you ever heard of comparing scripture with scripture to confirm a truth?
What you have here is a wide open verse that you have picked out and then go about to explain it to your favor! It's worthless because you have not searched the scripture to see what agrees with it and what doesn't. You can't search the scripture to properly prove this verse because you don't know what's in scripture!
Now let me show you what I'm talking about!
Matt. 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Your verse falls to the ground here, Jerwade, simply because you have no idea what scripture contains.
We see in these verses that God desires all to saved but all will not be saved. Just as God desires all men to stop sinning but all men are not going to stop sinning.
You should not be doing the works of the devil, it is you who preaches another gospel; one of iniquity.
That is exactly the answer I was looking for, free will!
Now if others here can learn that lesson, we will be in some unity.
A new perspective can begin in truth!
Thank you so, so much.
And it is exactly when I told my Religion Denier "roommate" about Free Will that he started to get really nasty and I was out of the home an hour later.
31"And he said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours. 32It was fitting to celebrate and be glad, for this your brother was dead, and is alive; he was lost, and is found.’
younger son had free will, older son did not.
And it is exactly when I told my Religion Denier "roommate" about Free Will that he started to get really nasty and I was out of the home an hour later.
Evil and Satan will always reveal itself!!!
The teaching of "free will" will blow the top off the house with certain beliefs.
Good to hear from you, hope you will be active on the forum!
I am trying to be. I get pretty busy in real life a lot, but.. A lot like Joseph the Prodigal Son, I may have returned home.
There IS a God in Heaven, and the way to him is through Jesus! I wish the Jews understood this.
Amen Brother, your work lies ahead of you, we have some of those right here!
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