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Yes, you can call that logic, but it's not man's preconceived logic that ignores scripture as we see prevalent on this forum. It's letting God's words speak for themselves based strictly on His words, comparing scripture to scripture for the truth, not some theory man is trying to place in scripture.
The scriptures say that a diameter divided by the circumference yields the number 3 (1Kings 7:23-26). Do you use "pi equals 3" in your everyday calculations because the Bible says so?
Of course you don't. You know that the Biblical value of pi is a rough estimate by ancient people. The Bible doesn't tell you that. Human logic does.
Satan has earned the right to exist by legal means, even though he did it by means of a lie!
When Adam disobeyed God in the Garden and believed Satan, that very moment Satan became the legal owner of mans soul!
Man is no longer born the sons of God, they are born the sons of Satan until the rebirth!
It was intended for man to be born in the image of God, but when he sinned and sin was passed down to all men by legal means, man became born in the image of Adam, the sinner.
This is why "man must be born again" into the family of God to be released from the bondage of Satan!
Every believer that calls on the name of Jesus Christ should have a burden for those in that bondage. We should be spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ to these poor souls the truth they need to be set free!
The scripture tells us that the gate is narrow and few there be that find it, most will not make it.
But that is no reason to give up spreading the truth of God's salvation! He didn't give up on us and we should not give up on our fellow man in God's plan.
The issue has not been settled Charlie. Do you know what is really going on? What is the issue that is being settled?
Not to determine doctrine, that's a fatal mistake! The scripture alone determines doctrine!
Anything the scripture does not confirm of itself is opinion, and yes, I have many opinions on scripture.
Those opinions are based on scripture proven doctrine! I'm certainly not saying all my opinions are correct, that would be foolish of me.
But I am saying my doctrine is scripture proving scripture and no opinion.
Let’s take the Christian notion that HaSatan was in Gan Eden...Within the pages of Torah, where does one find any reference that the talking snake, which was the cleverest of all the beasts of the field that G-d had made, was, in fact, HaSatan?...Within the account of Gan Eden, where does it even allude to the snake being HaSatan?...
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Let’s take the Christian notion that HaSatan was in Gan Eden...Within the pages of Torah, where does one find any reference that the talking snake, which was the cleverest of all the beasts of the field that G-d had made...Within the account of Gan Eden, where does it even allude to the snake being HaSatan?...
It doesn't but Rev. 12:9 sheds some light on it.
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
Does that sound familiar? The "old serpent" which deceiveth the whole world?
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
Does that sound familiar? The "old serpent" which deceiveth the whole world?
I said, within the pages of Torah...In Judaism, we have no devil...Not even a word for it in Hebrew...You see, you are going by a doctrine created by man’s logic, faulty, as you say...Fact is, the Torah portrays HaSatan, personified, only twice, and not as a rebellious Angel against G-d, but, as an obedient agent or servant of G-d...So, where and when did the Christian doctrine of HaSatan arise?...And for what purpose?...
I said, within the pages of Torah...In Judaism, we have no devil...Not even a word for it in Hebrew...You see, you are going by a doctrine created by man’s logic, faulty, as you say...Fact is, the Torah portrays HaSatan, personified, only twice, and not as a rebellious Angel against G-d, but, as an obedient agent or servant of G-d...So, where and when did the Christian doctrine of HaSatan arise?...And for what purpose?...
Unlike you Richard, I believe Jesus is the Christ! I believe the the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed to us in Christ.
What was hidden from us, which this is a prime example, is part of the blindness that Paul told us the Jews would and do have in order that the Gentile world could come to Christ.
Of course this is foolishness to you a Jew! Just as my belief in Jesus as the Christ is foolishness.
Paul sums it up very well in this one verse concerning the Jews and Gentiles.
Rom. 11:28
“As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.”
Even though you can't see it and you are my enemy concerning the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you are deeply loved by the Father! I have no choice but to show you that respect and bear the burden for now for the Father's sake.
Not to determine doctrine, that's a fatal mistake! The scripture alone determines doctrine!
Anything the scripture does not confirm of itself is opinion, and yes, I have many opinions on scripture.
Those opinions are based on scripture proven doctrine! I'm certainly not saying all my opinions are correct, that would be foolish of me.
But I am saying my doctrine is scripture proving scripture and no opinion.
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Originally Posted by Bungalove
Scripture proving scripture has no logic whatsoever. You cannot prove something with itself.
As Christians, they SHOULD be using Christ to prove scripture, but they have been told the opposite and have been screwing things up as a result for millennia. They use the "precepts and doctrines of men" to prove the "precepts and doctrines of men," instead of testing the spirit of what is believed against God's Holy Spirit of agape love revealed by Jesus on the Cross.
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