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I understand that, Charlie. But you (and your mentor) come across as if no one but you know the Scriptures. You cannot take your rote learning; a reading of the Scriptures and claim you have ultimate knowledge, wisdom and discernment. That is why we are called to study, and to see if what is being said is true. As you know, I do not believe the Scriptures were meant to be used the way you and your mentor attempt to use them, while exalting yourselves. Believe it or not, I am more loving and compassionate then you will ever know, so are many others herein that you ridicule. And I have no interest in your views of adopting a pagan hellhole. If you do not believe the Bible is syncretistic in nature, there is nothing I can say that will alter your particular beliefs. We will believe, what we believe; until we no longer, believe it. It's called growth and maturity, while having faith as a child.
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Originally Posted by Charlie24
In that case, Jerwade, as my former pastor would say, the proof is in the pudding!
You very well know my door is open for correction, all you have to do at anytime I post is to show me in scripture where I'm wrong! You can call this arrogance, pride, whatever you want, but the truth is the answer is in scripture, not one of your opinions!
That is basically all I see in your posts, opinions and wild interpretations from the Greek language! So if you want to talk smack to me talk it from scripture and we will see what is what!
What I see is the door to your mind and heart is closed, there is no room for a deeper comprehension. Because you have not moved beyond the elementary or drinking the milk through your rote learning. If that is all you are seeing, then you aren't comprehending. That is why I asked you to answer the questions that I did, it was to get you to think outside the box of what you were programmed to see. If you are not comfortable doing that - fine. But don't pee down the back of others, and tell them it's raining.
What I see is the door to your mind and heart is closed, there is no room for a deeper comprehension. Because you have not moved beyond the elementary or drinking the milk through your rote learning. If that is all you are seeing, then you aren't comprehending. That is why I asked you to answer the questions that I did, it was to get you to think outside the box of what you were programmed to see. If you are not comfortable doing that - fine. But don't pee down the back of others, and tell them it's raining.
The questions that condemn God as unjust and a Criminal God, no thanks, Jerwade, I'll have no part of that!
But I am waiting for your challenge, if you ever catch up with JBF and myself! That's asking maybe to much but the door is open!
Why don't you put on your big boy pants on and put your mouth to work in the scripture where it matters!
What I see is the door to your mind and heart is closed, there is no room for a deeper comprehension. Because you have not moved beyond the elementary or drinking the milk through your rote learning. If that is all you are seeing, then you aren't comprehending. That is why I asked you to answer the questions that I did, it was to get you to think outside the box of what you were programmed to see. If you are not comfortable doing that - fine. But don't pee down the back of others, and tell them it's raining.
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Originally Posted by Charlie24
The questions that condemn God as unjust and a Criminal God, no thanks, Jerwade, I'll have no part of that!
But I am waiting for your challenge, if you ever catch up with JBF and myself! That's asking maybe to much but the door is open!
Why don't you put on your big boy pants on and put your mouth to work in the scripture where it matters!
There was nothing that condemned God, just your lack of knowledge and understanding. The ignorance that you and he display is appalling and childish, now don't go throwing yourself on the floor having a tantrum. I'm sure that he will change your nappy, when the time comes for you to mature.
Not according to the Book of Job.
Today's Jews may believe Satan acts as a "prosecutor. "
However, a prosecutor, even an imperfect human prosecutor, doesn't slander the judge. Satan slanders God in the Book of Job.
A prosecutor working for God would seek truth and justice and not raise false accusations against the "blameless and upright." Satan falsely accuses Job and mankind in general.
The Torah says of YHWH, "for all His ways are just; a faithful God, without injustice He is righteous and upright."
Christ called Satan the "father of the lie" and a "murderer."
Satan does NOT work for YHWH.
Yes, exactly, according to the Book of Job, he does, in fact, work for G-d...He didn’t raise false accusations...
I don't know about you, Richard, but my common sense tells me that the serpent was a willing mediator between the woman and Satan. The serpent allowed himself to be used for evil when he had the choice not to. This is the only way I can see God executing immediate judgement on the serpent and its descendants, just as the judgement God executed on Adam and Eve in working by the sweat of the brow and pain in child birth. They all succumbed to the will of Satan by choice.
Satan is very good at what he does, the Great Deceiver.
Your common sense?...I don’t see any...HaSatan was never there in Gan Eden...It doesn’t even allude to it...
I've shown you already in the New Testament that the Devil is the one that deceived Adam and Eve.
The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed, told you that too!
So if you don't believe the New Testament is of God, as the Jews believe, then there will be many, many unexplained things in the Old Testament!
And you will never bring it in to understanding!
And I have shown you that "they were both naked (arummim), the man and his wife, and were not ashamed" (Gen. 2:25). Immediately after that we are told, "Now the serpent was more cunning (arum) than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made" (Gen. 3:1). In one verse the term arum is used to mean "naked" and in the next verse the same basic root denotes "cunning" or "subtle." So, who or where was this snake, if not within the nature of man himself, as they were naked, subtle and cunning or so they thought as they hid themselves. How hard is this to understand?
Charlie, keep building that fence by the sweat of your brow (Genesis 31:9). This may help you understand, or maybe not? You, and your mentor are not the sharpest tools in the shed.
Genesis 3:17-19
And Adam he said, Because you have hearkened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree, of which I commanded you, saying, You shall not eat of it: cursed is the ground for your sake; in sorrow shall you eat of it all the days of your life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to you; and you shall eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return to the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and to dust shall you return.
Now, let's see if you can pull your head out of your backside (that shed of darkness in which you hide).
Satan is not a separate entity: Adversity is a principle that results in active resistance, opposition, or contentiousness within the human nature. And the Hebrew term for Satan merely describes an adversarial role (an adversary). Whereas, an accuser (slanderer, devil) is known for his unrighteous disposition. However, the principalities and powers of unholy (human) messengers, had inculcated the doctrines of demons, devils and Satan in the early views of men; falsely fostering and prospering them. Truth becomes known, when deception falls away (that of self-induced blindness). Christ denounced these doctrines and traditions of men within the Spirit of truth, as the ego driven desires are within men, resist them.
Those who live according to the human nature have their mind set on what their nature desires, but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their mind set on what the Spirit wants: Along came the tempter; the lust of the eyes (understanding of the mind), lust of the flesh (a heart of emotion) and the pride of life (the desires of the will). Thus, while the first Adam conceded to all that is in the world (that which extends deep down from the surface - yet, is visible through distinctive traits or characteristics common to all humanity); the second Adam stood his ground against the natural disposition of the soul, and the temperament within that of other men.
I am willing to send you a flashlight, so you won't stumble anymore in the darkness that has consumed you.
A bigger question is why we'd be worrying about Satan. If you're a Christian, which this area of the forum would suspect, then you've already been saved. As well, you have the Gospels as a record of how to live and move forward. What about the "greater is he who lives within me than he who lives in the world" part? Do you doubt the very basics of your beliefs? That's the message you're sending.
And I have shown you that "they were both naked (arummim), the man and his wife, and were not ashamed" (Gen. 2:25). Immediately after that we are told, "Now the serpent was more cunning (arum) than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made" (Gen. 3:1). In one verse the term arum is used to mean "naked" and in the next verse the same basic root denotes "cunning" or "subtle." So, who or where was this snake, if not within the nature of man himself, as they were naked, subtle and cunning or so they thought as they hid themselves. How hard is this to understand?
Charlie, keep building that fence by the sweat of your brow (Genesis 31:9). This may help you understand, or maybe not? You, and your mentor are not the sharpest tools in the shed.
Genesis 3:17-19
And Adam he said, Because you have hearkened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree, of which I commanded you, saying, You shall not eat of it: cursed is the ground for your sake; in sorrow shall you eat of it all the days of your life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to you; and you shall eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return to the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and to dust shall you return.
Now, let's see if you can pull your head out of your backside (that shed of darkness in which you hide).
Satan is not a separate entity: Adversity is a principle that results in active resistance, opposition, or contentiousness within the human nature. And the Hebrew term for Satan merely describes an adversarial role (an adversary). Whereas, an accuser (slanderer, devil) is known for his unrighteous disposition. However, the principalities and powers of unholy (human) messengers, had inculcated the doctrines of demons, devils and Satan in the early views of men; falsely fostering and prospering them. Truth becomes known, when deception falls away (that of self-induced blindness). Christ denounced these doctrines and traditions of men within the Spirit of truth, as the ego driven desires are within men, resist them.
Those who live according to the human nature have their mind set on what their nature desires, but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their mind set on what the Spirit wants: Along came the tempter; the lust of the eyes (understanding of the mind), lust of the flesh (a heart of emotion) and the pride of life (the desires of the will). Thus, while the first Adam conceded to all that is in the world (that which extends deep down from the surface - yet, is visible through distinctive traits or characteristics common to all humanity); the second Adam stood his ground against the natural disposition of the soul, and the temperament within that of other men.
I am willing to send you a flashlight, so you won't stumble anymore in the darkness that has consumed you.
LOLOL, thanks Jerwade, I appreciate that!
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