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I'll answer the topic directly. All of these religious terminology makes religion confusing.
My belief: The bread/wafer becomes the Body of Christ once it is blessed over the altar (when the priest says the words that Jesus said to His disciplines).
I'll answer the topic directly. All of these religious terminology makes religion confusing.
My belief: The bread/wafer becomes the Body of Christ once it is blessed over the altar (when the priest says the words that Jesus said to His disciplines).
The bread/wafer is symbolic only. Once it goes in your mouth it is still a piece of bread or a wafer. It doesn’t change into something else. That thinking is utter nonsense.
I'll answer the topic directly. All of these religious terminology makes religion confusing.
My belief: The bread/wafer becomes the Body of Christ once it is blessed over the altar (when the priest says the words that Jesus said to His disciplines).
Religious terminology exists to clarify, not to confuse.
You say: "The bread/wafer becomes the Body of Christ once it is blessed over the altar (when the priest says the words that Jesus said to His disciplines)"
All well and good, but that can mean many different things. For many people, this is too vague and will prompt further questions.
Being precise in stating our foundational principles is critical, because if they're off, then error and disagreement will compound down the line.
The bread/wafer is symbolic only. Once it goes in your mouth it is still a piece of bread or a wafer. It doesn’t change into something else. That thinking is utter nonsense.
In your religious tradition, that's correct. The bread remains bread and is purely symbolic.
But in the Catholic Church, this is not so. Since the Catholic Church was founded by Christ and has been endowed with His Authority, the Priests act in persona Christi to truly change the elements from bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ.
The bread/wafer is symbolic only. Once it goes in your mouth it is still a piece of bread or a wafer. It doesn’t change into something else. That thinking is utter nonsense.
Says who? Your denomination?
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
Religious terminology exists to clarify, not to confuse.
You say: "The bread/wafer becomes the Body of Christ once it is blessed over the altar (when the priest says the words that Jesus said to His disciplines)"
All well and good, but that can mean many different things. For many people, this is too vague and will prompt further questions.
Being precise in stating our foundational principles is critical, because if they're off, then error and disagreement will compound down the line.
Good point. The entire bible, in my opinion, is vague and the more it is read, the more questions that can be asked. Hence why I think it can be a bad thing to assert that one's own religious beliefs are 100% accurate.
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
In your religious tradition, that's correct. The bread remains bread and is purely symbolic.
But in the Catholic Church, this is not so. Since the Catholic Church was founded by Christ and has been endowed with His Authority, the Priests act in persona Christi to truly change the elements from bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ.
I personally am not Catholic but I respect their beliefs and when I read the scripture of the Last Supper, Jesus literally states the bread is His body and the wine is His blood. What exactly does He mean by this? There's not much context. He could be saying the bread represents His body and the wine represents His blood, but the scripture does not say that. We have to do our best to interpret what he says either literally or non-literally and take our best guess as to what He meant.
I personally am not Catholic but I respect their beliefs and when I read the scripture of the Last Supper, Jesus literally states the bread is His body and the wine is His blood. What exactly does He mean by this? There's not much context. He could be saying the bread represents His body and the wine represents His blood, but the scripture does not say that. We have to do our best to interpret what he says either literally or non-literally and take our best guess as to what He meant.
The Apostles knew what Jesus meant. We learn from them and from their successors.
In your religious tradition, that's correct. The bread remains bread and is purely symbolic.
But in the Catholic Church, this is not so. Since the Catholic Church was founded by Christ and has been endowed with His Authority, the Priests act in persona Christi to truly change the elements from bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ.
If that is truly what happens, you can take some wine that has been changed into blood and have it tested just like each of us has our blood tested as a part of our medical examinations. It will show plasma, red blood cells, white blood cells, iron, and all the other normal constituents of blood.
Good point. The entire bible, in my opinion, is vague and the more it is read, the more questions that can be asked. Hence why I think it can be a bad thing to assert that one's own religious beliefs are 100% accurate.
I personally am not Catholic but I respect their beliefs and when I read the scripture of the Last Supper, Jesus literally states the bread is His body and the wine is His blood. What exactly does He mean by this? There's not much context. He could be saying the bread represents His body and the wine represents His blood, but the scripture does not say that. We have to do our best to interpret what he says either literally or non-literally and take our best guess as to what He meant.
Jesus clearly gave the context - only a few verses over:
(paraphrasing) "... your ancestors ate (manna) but still died v.49,
but he who eats THIS bread will NOT die ...v.50"....
and "I am the bread of life...v.35"
and "...this bread is my flesh... v.51"
and "...my flesh is real food, my blood real drink..." v.55
If that is truly what happens, you can take some wine that has been changed into blood and have it tested just like each of us has our blood tested as a part of our medical examinations. It will show plasma, red blood cells, white blood cells, iron, and all the other normal constituents of blood.
You can post the blood test results here.
we don't yet have instruments to measure glorified body characteristics ...
If that is truly what happens, you can take some wine that has been changed into blood and have it tested just like each of us has our blood tested as a part of our medical examinations. It will show plasma, red blood cells, white blood cells, iron, and all the other normal constituents of blood.
You can post the blood test results here.
The appearance of wine remains. It looks and tastes like wine.
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