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sciotamicks, you are missing the really important point which is this:
"God will have all mankind to be saved for . . . Christ gave Himself a ransom for all" (1 Tim.2:4-6).
"God is operating all according to the counsel of His will" (Eph.1:11).
Since Christ ransomed all, all must be freed. Since God is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will and since He wills all mankind to be saved, He is operating all to save all mankind.
I think all of you are missing the point. The Will of 1 Tim 2:4 is not the same will as in the Will and Ordained Decree of God as in Eph 1:11. I have already addressed this. God wants all to be saved, but like I have pointed out several times, is that the context of this very verse? No it isn't. Because of His want and desire for mankind to be saved - σωθῆναι , He had removed the wall between Jew and Gentile, so that "all men without social and racial dinstinction" can acheive the same salvation as the Jew had been given.
Stay in context people.
I think all of you are missing the point. The Will of 1 Tim 2:4 is not the same will as in the Will and Ordained Decree of God as in Eph 1:11. I have already addressed this. God wants all to be saved, but like I have pointed out several times, is that the context of this very verse? No it isn't. Because of His want and desire for mankind to be saved - σωθῆναι , He had removed the wall between Jew and Gentile, so that "all men without social and racial dinstinction" can acheive the same salvation as the Jew had been given.
Stay in context people.
I really don't agree with this line of thought at all. If it's God's desire to do something, He will see it through in the end. What is going to stop His desires from coming to fruition? What exactly will stop it?
I can understand your argument if your trying to limit the scope of the word "all" (by distinctions), but as to it's outcome for whomever "all" represents, I don't see anyway to really get around it.
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That's alright Alabama. Precisely why we discuss these things, yet I completely disagree with you, based on the texts, which have survived this long for reasons we are addressing now. The context of 1 Tim 2 has nothing to do with God's Ordained will in any way, however, His defeat of Sin and Death, was indeed ordained and completed in Christ...now that, I believe we can agree on and what He wanted, in 1 Tim 2:4, was already completed, in the work of Christ.
Now everybody, has the chance to be saved - σωθῆναι in Chirst only. That is the message of this verse. No one is limiting anything, as it has already been accomplished. "All" is what the previous defines:
Paul is exhorting them to pray for all men, for kings and for all those in authority. Christianity, in its beginning stages, was made up primarily of slaves and common men. Paul says, "Pray for all men, even kings and rulers, because God will save some of them also."
For kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we mayδιάγωμενlead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
"All men" means men of every station in life and racial origin. It is a removal of racial and social distinctions.
He wanted, in 1 Tim 2:4, was already completed, in the work of Christ.
Now everybody, has the chance to be saved - σωθῆναι in Chirst only. That is the message of this verse. No one is limiting anything, as it has already been accomplished. "All" is what the previous defines:
Paul is exhorting them to pray for all men, for kings and for all those in authority. Christianity, in its beginning stages, was made up primarily of slaves and common men. Paul says, "Pray for all men, even kings and rulers, because God will save some of them also."
For kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we mayδιάγωμενlead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
"All men" means men of every station in life and racial origin. It is a removal of racial and social distinctions.
We'll need to disagree on this one my friend. "All" truly means all ἄνθρωπος humans, everyone, without any exceptions or limitations.
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and what He wanted, in 1 Tim 2:4, was already completed, in the work of Christ. 
