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Galatians 4:1
What I am saying is that as long as the heir is a child, he is no different from a slave, although he owns the whole estate.
Galatians 4:3
So also, when we were children, we were in slavery under the basic principles of the world.
Galatians 4:7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.
Galatians 4:8
[ Paul's Concern for the Galatians ] Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.
Galatians 4:22
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.
Galatians 4:23
His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.
Galatians 4:24 These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.
Galatians 4:25
Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.
Galatians 4:30
But what does the Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son."
Galatians 4:31
Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
Galations 4:30 "for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son."
Psalm 130:8
8. And He will redeem Israel from all his iniquities.
Psalm 103:3-4
3. Who pardons all your iniquities, who heals all your diseases
4. Who redeems your life from the pit, who crowns you with lovingkindness and compassion;
Hosea 13:14
14. Shall I ransom them from the power of Sheol? Shall I redeem them from death? O Death, where are your thorns? O Sheol, where is your sting? Compassion will be hidden from My sight.
Acts 20:28
28. "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
2 Peter 2:19
promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
1 Tim. 2:6
6. who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
Matt. 20:28
28. just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
John 15:15
"No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you.
Rom. 6:16
16. Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
17. But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,
18. and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
19. I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh For just as you presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness, resulting in further lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness, resulting in sanctification.
20. For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.
21. Therefore what benefit were you then deriving from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the outcome of those things is death.
22. But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life.
23. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1 Cor. 6:20
For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.
Gal. 1:4
4. who gave Himself for our sins so that He might rescue us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,
1 Peter 1:18
18. knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers.
Galations 4:30
"for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son."
There is no UR......never means never.
LoL, no UR? LOL! And all based on your translation of Galatians 4:30? You crack me up twin.spin.
Gal 4:30 But what is the scripture saying? Cast out this maid and her son, for by no means shall the son of the maid be enjoying the allotment with the son of the free woman."
Galatians 4:30 is talking about what Sarah told Abraham. Sarah did not want Hagar's child to enjoy or take over Abraham's allotment of first born rights since Ishmael was born before Isaac. But Isaac was born not of the slave Hagar but of Sarah, Abraham's true wife. So Isaac get the first-born rights of the allotment but God still blessed Ishmael and made him into a great nation as He told Hagar He would do. Gheesh!
Sarah was not saying that Ishmael would never be saved. And the fact that sciotamicks agrees with you just shows the shallowness of his knowledge of Scripture!
Galatians 4:1
What I am saying is that as long as the heir is a child, he is no different from a slave, although he owns the whole estate.
Galatians 4:3
So also, when we were children, we were in slavery under the basic principles of the world.
Galatians 4:7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.
Galatians 4:8
[ Paul's Concern for the Galatians ] Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.
Galatians 4:22
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.
Galatians 4:23
His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.
Galatians 4:24 These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.
Galatians 4:25
Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.
Galatians 4:30
But what does the Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son."
Galatians 4:31
Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.
Galations 4:30 "for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son."
There is no UR......never means never.
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
LoL, no UR? LOL! And all based on your translation of Galatians 4:30? You crack me up twin.spin.
Gal 4:30 But what is the scripture saying? Cast out this maid and her son, for by no means shall the son of the maid be enjoying the allotment with the son of the free woman."
Galatians 4:30 is talking about what Sarah told Abraham. Sarah did not want Hagar's child to enjoy or take over Abraham's allotment of first born rights since Ishmael was born before Isaac. But Isaac was born not of the slave Hagar but of Sarah, Abraham's true wife. So Isaac get the first-born rights of the allotment but God still blessed Ishmael and made him into a great nation as He told Hagar He would do. Gheesh!
Sarah was not saying that Ishmael would never be saved. And the fact that sciotamicks agrees with you just shows the shallowness of his knowledge of Scripture!
Exactly, the slave woman and her son were eventually set free and blessed. Just as All will be set free in the fullness of times and will be blessed. Eternal torment and eternal slavery are diabolical fantasies.
God wants all to be saved, because he knows that to be unsaved is terrible beyond words. That is why he took the blame for your sins and mine, so that we have the opportunity to be saved. But he can't force us to accept his sacrifice. If we accept it, it is because, before the foundation of the world, God knew us, and knew that we would accept, because we love righteousness. If we do not accept his sacrifice, we choose unholiness, and, likewise, we chose it before the foundation of the world. What we do here is simply provide hard evidence for what we really are.
There is something more important to God than wanting all to be saved- and that is righteousness.
This is the fundamentalist christian religion in a nutshell. God doesn't save you, he only offers your an opportunity to save yourself.
This is the fundamentalist christian religion in a nutshell. God doesn't save you, he only offers your an opportunity to save yourself.
Good posts Ironmaw!
1Ti 4:1 Now the spirit is saying explicitly, that in subsequent eras some will be withdrawing from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and the teachings of demons,
1Ti 4:2 in the hypocrisy of false expressions, their own conscience having been cauterized;"
The teachings of demons are twin sisters: eternal torment and save yourself by your own "free-will."
The "hypocrisy of false expressions" are "free-will" and "eternal torment."
The faith they will withdraw from was the faith of the apostle Paul who specificaly taught that "God will save all mankind because Christ gave Himself a ransom for all" and "God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially them that believe. These things command and teach." (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10,11)
The level of withdrawal from the faith is evidenced by the level of denial of 1 Timothy 2:4-6 and 4:10,11.
The level of withdrawal from the faith is the level of denial that all mankind will not be made righteous and all mankind will not have their lives justified (Romans 5:18,19).
LoL, no UR? LOL! And all based on your translation of Galatians 4:30? You crack me up twin.spin.
But you guy's base "all means all" ..........You crack me up
never means never..."will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son"
The slave son represents those who are trying to be justified by the law...thus the "Mount Sinai in Arabia" ref, that was were the law was given.
Romans 4:13
It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.
Romans 4:14,15
For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
What UR is offering to the slave is a faith with no value and no promise. The slave (those who attempt justification by observing the law) will never inherit (be the heir) eternal life. Never means never.....unbelief is an eternal sin.
Galatians 2:16
"know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified."
Offering UR to the slave is "diabolical reality" "because by observing the law no one will be justified"
This is the fundamentalist christian religion in a nutshell. God doesn't save you, he only offers your an opportunity to save yourself.
Its cosavior theology - it is a Robbery of God. It is where God has to wait for permission to save you.
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Good posts Ironmaw! 
