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You will probably also find those living within the poverty rates in cities like toronto and montreal have access to a better social safety net.
Trust me when I say from personal experience that social safety net does nothing but shame a person who has to take advantage of it. Anyone with any ambition never wants to take advantage of those services ever. The goal should be to raise people out of poverty, not make them reliant on services.
Largest Contigious Clusters of Elite Zip Codes defined by at least 7 in 10 adults have a College Degree and the Average Income exceed $120,000
1 Washington DC
2 East Manhattan
3 San Jose
4 Boston 5 Oakland
6 Bridgeport
7 Newark
8 Chicago
9 North of Los Angeles
10 Long Island
11 West Manhattan
12 Trenton
13 Philadelphia
14 San Diego
15 South of Los Angeles
Tract 4043 Oakland, California
Average Household Income: $333,917
Top 5% Median Household Income: $1,225,153
Median Home Value: $1,000,000+
Adults With a Bachelor Degree or Higher: 83.2%
Down the street from my house is one of the most prestigious high schools in the nation. Wall Street Journal National Ranking of Top 65 Prep Schools California
5 Polytechnic School, Pasadena *6 College Prepatory School, Oakland*
15 Crystal Springs Uplands School, Hillsborough
21 San Francisco University High School, San Francisco
22 Menlo School, Atherton
25 Harker School, San Jose
28 Webb Schools, Claremont 35 Head-Royce School, Oakland
42 Branson School, Ross
43 Bishop's School, La Jolla
50 Castilleja School, Palo Alto
57 Francis Parker School, San Diego
So as you can see, Upper Rockridge and environs is extremely sophisticated, affluent and oh so beautiful.
...Walking around this outpost of cool off Telegraph Avenue, you may forget that you’re just across the bay from San Francisco and not in, say, an oft-cited borough of New York City where style, shopping and food have become major draws.
If so, you wouldn’t be the only one. Style.com recently published an article on Temescal Alley and pronounced it “Williamsburg-esque.” Last year, VegNews, a vegan-oriented website, ran a travel article titled “11 Reasons Why Oakland Is the New Brooklyn,” calling it “the new vegan mecca.” ...
Jonathan Hewitt, a 35-year-old London transplant who works as Standard & Strange’s operations manager, and who was describing that same “Manhattan is to San Francisco as Brooklyn is to Oakland” parallel for a recent visitor, was asked if anyone really believed that Oakland was like Brooklyn.
“Abso-bloody-lutely!” he said. “I hate reverting to a cliché like that, but it’s just so true.”
Fast food restaurants per square mile (the fewer the better)
Bars per square mile
Big box stores per square mile (the fewer the better)
Population diversity
Movie theaters per square mile
Museums per square mile
Theater companies per square mile
Music venues per square mile
All of this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is before SF and all of it's amenities and opportunities even comes into the equation. I can be in the city in 20 minutes via subway and in no traffic 10 minutes by car.
And so, when people from dreary eastern locales try to apply their reality to the west, it falls apart because our cities are not really as bleak as yours.
I have lived in both cities for numerous years, and I do prefer Montreal because it has more cosmopolitan feel, European feel especially in terms of the people and French language, more walkable and urban, safer, higher quality of life, cheaper housing and rent, four seasons, close to NYC, Boston, Toronto and flying to Europe is closer and cheaper as well.
Montreal has almost everything that LA could offer except the palm trees. Montreal has mountains (even in the middle of downtown,) lakes/rivers, entertainment/festivals, amusement parks, great universities (Montreal is nr 1 University town in terms of international students - more than Boston) and much much more!
LA is amazing as well, but too much car dependency, heavy traffic, smog & too much Spanish and illegal Hispanics. I enjoyed living in CA though but sorry Montreal is more of a true city especially if you like urban living such as those found in Europe and NYC, etc.
However, if you like year-round warm and sunny weather, celebrity lifestyle, potential of becoming rich, then LA is for you.
So city vs city, Montreal wins!
There was a thread Montreal vs SF and Montreal still won!!
Are there any studies when it comes to social mobility in Montreal? LA and the California cities seem to score very well according to this study conducted by Harvard:
LA is 11th in the country
SJ 3rd
SF/Oak 5th
SD 6th
This is probably why while I voted for Montreal because it much more appeals to me as a city compared to LA, I probably would rather live in LA, just for professional and social mobility reasons.
^^ Who said Montreal has no luxury brand name stores? They do exist but most are not in independent stores. They exist within larger department stores.
Montrealers have the option to shop in NJ/NYC with no sales tax on shoes and clothes within few hours of drive unlike people in California who cannot.
Are there any studies when it comes to social mobility in Montreal? LA and the California cities seem to score very well according to this study conducted by Harvard:
LA is 11th in the country
SJ 3rd
SF/Oak 5th
SD 6th
This is probably why while I voted for Montreal because it much more appeals to me as a city compared to LA, I probably would rather live in LA, just for professional and social mobility reasons.
Montreal has higher quality of life, lower unemployment rate, national health care, more socialized benefits, and lower cost of living.
Are there any studies when it comes to social mobility in Montreal? LA and the California cities seem to score very well according to this study conducted by Harvard:
LA is 11th in the country
SJ 3rd
SF/Oak 5th
SD 6th
This is probably why while I voted for Montreal because it much more appeals to me as a city compared to LA, I probably would rather live in LA, just for professional and social mobility reasons.
Excellent.
So what this study measures is the percentage of people who in the course of their lives who not only pulled themselves out of poverty but actually have become affluent.
Los Angeles is definitely more accommodating to a person that is upwardly mobile and ambitious whereas Montreal boosters appear to be bragging about how the government can support the poor without encouraging them to aspire to better things, which is sad.
I have lived in both cities for numerous years, and I do prefer Montreal because it has more cosmopolitan feel, European feel especially in terms of the people and French language, more walkable and urban, safer, higher quality of life, cheaper housing and rent, four seasons, close to NYC, Boston, Toronto and flying to Europe is closer and cheaper as well.
Montreal has almost everything that LA could offer except the palm trees. Montreal has mountains (even in the middle of downtown,) lakes/rivers, entertainment/festivals, amusement parks, great universities (Montreal is nr 1 University town in terms of international students - more than Boston) and much much more!
LA is amazing as well, but too much car dependency, heavy traffic, smog & too much Spanish and illegal Hispanics. I enjoyed living in CA though but sorry Montreal is more of a true city especially if you like urban living such as those found in Europe and NYC, etc.
However, if you like year-round warm and sunny weather, celebrity lifestyle, potential of becoming rich, then LA is for you.
So city vs city, Montreal wins!
There was a thread Montreal vs SF and Montreal still won!!
^This! I will take Montreal over SF or LA anyday. LA is like a giant suburb, while Montreal is more my type of city. More urban, walkable, better public transit, safer, closer to other large metros etc than LA is. The weather might not be the best in the winter, but I'll take snowstorms over potential earthquakes any day of the week.
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair
ROFTLMAO This is always what happens when a nerve has been struck^
Now I get to educate you on Oakland.
Copied and pasted straight from the London vs SF thread...
Tract 4043 Oakland, California
Average Household Income: $333,917
Top 5% Median Household Income: $1,225,153
Median Home Value: $1,000,000+
Adults With a Bachelor Degree or Higher: 83.2%
Down the street from my house is one of the most prestigious high schools in the nation. Wall Street Journal National Ranking of Top 65 Prep Schools California
5 Polytechnic School, Pasadena *6 College Prepatory School, Oakland*
15 Crystal Springs Uplands School, Hillsborough
21 San Francisco University High School, San Francisco
22 Menlo School, Atherton
25 Harker School, San Jose
28 Webb Schools, Claremont 35 Head-Royce School, Oakland
42 Branson School, Ross
43 Bishop's School, La Jolla
50 Castilleja School, Palo Alto
57 Francis Parker School, San Diego
Anything else?
Struck a nerve? What are you talking about? I only re-posted the same link you did and showed your citys 1 in 5 poverty rate. Did that strike a nerve for you?
It's nice that you live in that neighbourhood, but this is a city vs city thread. Not hood vs hood. Singling out a single neighbourhood in Oakland to make the city look good doesn't work. Nice try though.
We all know the crime, homicides etc that go on there.
The fact that there is even a SF vs. London thread is laughable though. Talk about a mismatch!
But back to the thread topic and moving away from rundown, lower level cities like Oakland, I will take Montreal over LA. I don't care about Gucci stores or Rodeo Drive and over 90% of people don't either. Education, crime/safety, health, public transit etc are much more important factors that Versace stores.
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