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Ok, but Seattle has 61 buildings of 400+ feet that are completed or under construction. Most Seattle
skyscrapers are between 400 and 500 feet. So that 500+ threshold is misleading.
Sure we can lower the threshold if you wish but then you'd have to also apply that to other cities including Miami.. Do you want to go down that road? Will it strengthen Seattle's claim or just further reinforce Miami's? I'm sure Miami has a plethora of buildings between 400-499 feet....As a matter of fact, the over 500 number is harder to bulk up than under 500. Most cities highrises are under 500
I can say one thing - as per the OP use of Toronto as being the bar to aim for in terms development, and if the threshold is lowered to say just 'highrises' - Toronto has over 2000 of those.
btw - thanks for your posts actually. You have a lot of good information. I just think if you are going down the road of highrises and skyscrapers strictly by numbers, Seattle is probably not going to compare well to Miami.
^^Seattle most certainly compares well to Miami, given that Miami is spread out along its coast. Seattle's endless 400'~440' residential bodes limitless feasibility w/ no end flanking its core. I'm using "core" loosely to describe their tall Downtown & residential zones. Seattle's core is nearly as impressive and compares well to Miami's 'near downtown' zone.
Both will see more and more in the 400~500' range. Except Seattle's residential zoning mostly ranges 400'~440'..... Miami will continue getting the very tall, 600-1100' variety, and outpace Seattle. Then, nearer to Miami/ Dade/ Broward's
airports, building will be much more FAA height restricted.
At the moment, Miami's advantage over Seattle is pure numbers: less the eye test, as Miami's height extends wayyy down toward Haulover Inlet.
Miami & Seattle both embrace growth toward big urban metropolis', have the construction starts, financing, economies and construction that indicate no end in sight. Miami for its climate and intl appeal, and Seattle w/ endless tech and proximity to Asia.
Are there many Vancouver transplants moving to Seattle?
Their inferior size to Toronto is a moot point. Both are full intl cities in their own right, with boundless appeal.
Seattle is a bit more advanced on transit, where Miami is lagging behind.
An afternoon spent near the Turnpike/95/441/ & Palmetto shows how much Miami needs to go, and get moving. Miami has considerable catching up to do, and will be much more a car-centric city than Seattle for the foreseeable future.
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Here's one of the Pike Place Market, covering a few city blocks. Significant chunks are packed enough that you can only shuffle through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipbOjqcM6jE
I'm heading out, but by the weekend I can see if there's something covering pre-COVID office crowds (Miami has no comparison), Capitol Hill, and/or the U District.
As for walking commute shares, look to the Census Dept. Miami has some busy areas but its averages are poor.
I posted 11 of Miami-Dade County's separate pedestrian nodes in the post below if you wanted to see the crazy concentrated pedestrian counts and beautiful vibrancy that is going on down there. And what's up with 2 of the 4 Seattle videos posted in this thread being pre-Covid?
There's simply nowhere in the Seattle metro area that comes close to the stuff you see in the videos in this post below.
Here's one of the Pike Place Market, covering a few city blocks. Significant chunks are packed enough that you can only shuffle through. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipbOjqcM6jE
I'm heading out, but by the weekend I can see if there's something covering pre-COVID office crowds (Miami has no comparison), Capitol Hill, and/or the U District.
As for walking commute shares, look to the Census Dept. Miami has some busy areas but its averages are poor.
I posted 11 videos of Miami-Dade County's separate pedestrian nodes in the post below if you wanted to see the crazy concentrated pedestrian counts and vibrancy that is going on down there. And what's up with 2 of the 4 Seattle videos posted in this thread being pre-Covid?
There's simply nowhere in the Seattle metro area that comes close to the stuff you see in the videos in this post below.
For buildings over 400' Emporis is showing Miami with 18 buildings under construction with 47 more planned and Seattle is showing 5 under construction with 27 more planned. Miami has the most in the country by far for both under construction and planned buildings outside of NYC. Los Angeles and Chicago both have 6 under construction but it looks like Seattle has more planned out at 27.
And that's just Miami proper.
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Was just in downtown Seattle today. Absolutely hopping with people. Definitely as many as pre-Covid. Took me 30 minutes just to drive down Pine and Boren because of all the pedestrians blocking right turns. Miami outside the tourist traps feels nothing like that.
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Was just in downtown Seattle today. Absolutely hopping with people. Definitely as many as pre-Covid. Took me 30 minutes just to drive down Pine and Boren because of all the pedestrians blocking right turns. Miami outside the tourist traps feels nothing like that.
Besides South Beach, Miami is “hopping” in Brickell, Wynwood, Design District, Coconut Grove, Little Havana, etc etc—and has had pre Covid crowds for well over a year+.
Since the OP brought up Toronto, Toronto based INK Entertainment has opened 3 restaurants in Miami— Byblos and Dalia (South Beach) and Amal (Coconut Grove)—with more planned, following in the footsteps of NYC which has opened more than 2 dozen outposts of successful establishments throughout the area—not just tourist traps. Canada’s largest asset and wealth management firm, CI Financial of Toronto, has also chosen Brickell for its US headquarters.
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Look at the demographics. Seattle is 60% college educated adults. Miami is more like 30%. Miami has double the poverty rate and less than half the household income. Seattle is a global center for intellectual property creation. Historically, it has lacked the world class university but the University of Washington is rising up the ranks and is probably 20 years from being in the top few state universities.
Miami has 1%ers who mostly didn’t make their money there but the overall skill of the labor force makes for massive wealth and income stratification. Seattle has a much higher fraction of high skill upper middle class. Seattle’s geography doesn’t lend itself to sprawl and big population growth so Miami is always going to have the bigger population though most are poorly educated and lower income. Assuming you have an intellectual property creation job, I think Seattle will always have the better quality of life.
Miami, being a majority minority city, relies more upon small business ownership than corporate employment—though we certainly have our share of doctors, attorneys, real estate developers, finance, import/export etc etc so it’s not like Guatemala or a remote tribal village as you make it out to be. I have no problem running into such professional types on a daily basis. Dallas, Rome, Dubai, Barcelona and more don’t have world class universities either and some dumbass named Jeff Bezos graduated from Palmetto High School (Miami).
A blind squirrel can see the vast amount, not a few pockets, of wealth (homes, condos, yachts) that stretches from Cutler Bay up through Sunny Isles, with other pockets along the mainland coast and elsewhere. Not all small business owners report all their earnings, retirees no longer earn income from work but spend wealth earned during their careers, foreigners park their wealth in Miami, often buying million dollar+ condos (plus cars, paying property tax, shopping, dining). As I’ve stated for years on CD reported W-2 income is not the sole measurement of wealth.
Yet for all this visible wealth and stratification/disparity, Miami doesn’t put up with and have anywhere remotely close to the level of visible homelessness afflicting Seattle (top 5?) and other highly educated coastal cities. For my money if one wants clean and modern urban with top tier amenities with year round warm weather in an oceanfront setting (limited supply) that people from around the world pay a premium for with money earned here or elsewhere, Miami is hard to beat. Besides people, businesses and restauranteurs have taken note and begun following suit.
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Parts of Miami-Dade will see the problem long before 100 years. The surface water drainage system fails with a 6” sea level rise. There are 100k houses on septic systems that will have to be addressed. Local subsidence will take out a few more condo towers. The cost of the infrastructure projects probably isn’t possible in the Florida political climate.
Of course, Seattle isn’t particularly geologically stable and it’s vulnerable to sea level rise. Plus tsunamis and Godzilla. The odds are much lower than Miami but Seattle could have problems.
Yet for all this visible wealth and stratification/disparity, Miami doesn’t put up with and have anywhere remotely close to the level of visible homelessness afflicting Seattle (top 5?) and other highly educated coastal cities.
Hiding it better doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Key being visible. Secondly, the homeless vagrants in Seattle aren't typically from Washington state. They are from the states that have sent them a bus ticket to Seattle.
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