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Old 07-21-2009, 07:16 AM
 
Location: where my heart is
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The REAL question should be is, why do people HATE the sunbelt?
Sun and heat with a false sense of "paradise" and some kind of living in a vacation land 24/7.
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Old 07-21-2009, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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Honestly, it's not a matter of if rather than when. It will happen.

Your industry you currently parallels what we had 30-50 years ago, and the trends are still the same. However, I'm not really sure where we go from here. I'm figuring that the Northeast is the best model for the future of development, with a specific look at cities like Philly, Pittsburgh, Boston, etc. instead of NYC to determine the pattern, but the rsut belt seems to be getting continually worse. However, it is important to note that it can't go much further down from here for us. The south still has a long way to fall down the barrel.
Nicely said...

The people in the North should worry about their own issues (they've got plenty of their own) and stop worrying about what their neighbors to the South have/do not have. It isn't paradise up there either. The more threads I read here helps confirm my belief that the North (which preaches tolerance) is most likely the least tolerant place in our country.
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Old 07-21-2009, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Well, now that's getting too expensive, so all that's moving off to China and Mexico, just like the Textile and Steel industries did.


With that logic, will there be a.....

Demise of the south
Considering you have a front row seat to the demise of your area, let us know how things turn out.
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Old 07-21-2009, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Sun and heat with a false sense of "paradise" and some kind of living in a vacation land 24/7.
That is your Sunbelt. It hardly describes mine at all.
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Old 07-21-2009, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Because LA(film industry), bay area/silicon valley( tech industry), San Francisco, orange county, San diego, santa barbara, napa valley are pretty dam awesome. Not to mention, we are home to a decent selection of universities: Cal Tech, Stanford, Berkeley, USC, UCLA.
Actually the aerospace, energy, clothing and automobile (L.A. was one of the cities Ford made the model T in and was the largest auto manufacturer outside Detroit) industries all brought more people to L.A. and Southern Cal than the movie industry.

But with the exception of the Energy and Movie industry those industries are all going down hill in L.A. just like they are in the rest of America.
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Old 07-21-2009, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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The boom of the Sunbelt is all about the absence of labor unions, and the plentiful supply of workers who are grateful to have good jobs. Not having to deal with pathologically aggressive and greedy Northeasterners is also a huge treat. Otherwise, you are right. The heat and humidity make the Sunbelt a miserable and potentially deadly place, six months each year. The sprawl is hideous, and the demographics just keep getting worse and worse.
That's partially true. But it's mainly just because over a hundred years of slow growth in the Old South has resulted in a situation where there is just a much greater amount of undeveloped land in the South than the North. Making development there much cheaper. Basically the South is playing catchup with the North.

Also ultraconservatives today (I'm not conservative or liberal but a person that chooses to think things out logically) seem to think that it's all about no unions and low wages eleswhere when it comes to the Norths demise.

The reason Pennsylvania, Cleveland, Chicago, etc. lost it's steel industry is because following WWII the Japanese and Germans embarked on a campaign to rebuild their bombed out industries into ones that would be at the top world wide. Over the next 20 some years they combined efforts of companies, unions, government, banks, research universities, etc (and some rebuiding money from the U.S. government) to build state of the art facilities that could produce much better quality and variety steel at a lower cost than American Mills could. While all that was going on American Companies, unions, government did absolutely nothing.

By the 70's the U.S. steel industry simply could not compete with Japan and Germany because of this and had to shut down. Basically the same thing has happened in the Automotive industry. And mind you neither Germany or Japan are low paying countries they pay very well and have unions, Especially Germany.
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Old 07-21-2009, 09:36 AM
 
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Considering you have a front row seat to the demise of your area, let us know how things turn out.
Actually, the demise of my region has mostly happened already. However, I will be more than happy to let you know how the rebirth goes and hold a spot open for ya when "Hotlanta" becomes "Deadlanta".
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Old 07-21-2009, 09:39 AM
 
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Actually, the demise of my region has mostly happened already. However, I will be more than happy to let you know how the rebirth goes and hold a spot open for ya when "Hotlanta" becomes "Deadlanta".
I agree, I think the midwest will see a huge rebirth due to low real estate prices. But most of the sunbelt will see a steady demise. States like Texas will hold up due to their consentration on energy.
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Old 07-21-2009, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Actually, the demise of my region has mostly happened already. However, I will be more than happy to let you know how the rebirth goes and hold a spot open for ya when "Hotlanta" becomes "Deadlanta".
How delusional of you! I wouldn't hold your breath.
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Old 07-21-2009, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I agree, I think the midwest will see a huge rebirth due to low real estate prices. But most of the sunbelt will see a steady demise. States like Texas will hold up due to their consentration on energy.
Why don't you just come out and say that you HOPE the Sunbelt will see a steady demise? You know you want to.
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