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View Poll Results: Chicago vs. Philadelphia
Chicago 568 65.21%
Philadelphia 303 34.79%
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:43 PM
 
Location: The City
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People often say this, but if you think about it, what major U.S. cities other than most of NYC and SF truly have space constraints?
well development timing space constraints Boston and Philly would qualify if only by street layout that really never changed

Why in parts they feel so compressed

I mean look at S Philly Built almost exclusively pre auto or even close to the time

Not many places ended up with miles of blocks that look like this even outside the core (again not saying better by any means)

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Phila...93.08,,0,-6.19


or from above

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tiascapes/5396573474/
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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That area (I think its streeterville) seems to be filling in though - a little sleepy yet a few blocks from MI Ave albeit in the Chicago breathing room way.
That is my one problem with Streeterville - too sleepy. Since you were there last, in streeterville/Lakeshore East a few new buildings have been completed and recently topped off

* 500 N Lakeshore Drive | 45 floors | 465 feet | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E...2/P1120813.JPG

* Coast at Lakeshore East | 46 floors | 464 feet | http://imageshack.us/a/img27/3825/coasti.jpg --> To the left of Swissotel

* Optima Center | 42 floors | 442 feet | https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N...9/P1150831.JPG


They also are in the middle of constructing:

* River Point (West Loop Gate) | 45 floors | 650 feet | http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5368/rp1nx.jpg
* 435 N Park | 54 floors | 635 feet | http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5468/4651e.jpg
* 111 W Wacker (former Waterview..Shang-ri-la Hotel) | 59 floors | 630 feet | http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/t...N/a929fb3d.jpg
* Hubbard Place (River North) | 45 floors | 449 feet | http://wibiti.com/images/hpmain/862/281862.jpg
* Summit on Lake | 42 floors | 400 something feet | http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs...LakeCurbed.jpg

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FWIW the lakefront there is just tremendous even with the parkway. Enjoyed walking every morning along the waterfront and Navy pier and the Aqua building(yes other side of the river), well just another example of tremendous architecture in Chicago - I think my favorite skyscraper city bar none the talls stand out with the room...
Yep, and when most people hear it's a lake, they don't realize how big it actually is until they get there. Yes, it looks like the ocean.

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I wonder what will ever come of the Spire hole
Every once in awhile something new comes out. I can't find it now but a few months ago some firm came out with a few new interesting renderings
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:00 PM
 
Location: The City
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That is my one problem with Streeterville - too sleepy. Since you were there last, in streeterville/Lakeshore East a few new buildings have been completed and recently topped off

* 500 N Lakeshore Drive | 45 floors | 465 feet | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-E...2/P1120813.JPG

* Coast at Lakeshore East | 46 floors | 464 feet | http://imageshack.us/a/img27/3825/coasti.jpg --> To the left of Swissotel

* Optima Center | 42 floors | 442 feet | https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N...9/P1150831.JPG


They also are in the middle of constructing:

* 435 N Park | 54 floors | 635 feet | http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5468/4651e.jpg
* 111 W Wacker (former Waterview..Shang-ri-la Hotel) | 59 floors | 630 feet | http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/t...N/a929fb3d.jpg

* Summit on Lake | 42 floors | 400 something feet | http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs...LakeCurbed.jpg

Yep, and when most people hear it's a lake, they don't realize how big it actually is until they get there. Yes, it looks like the ocean.

Every once in awhile something new comes out. I can't find it now but a few months ago some firm came out with a few new interesting renderings
I love Chicago but it has never looked or felt like the ocean. Nose and eyes give it away Still great but no not the ocean


And pretty sure all those (first 3) were under construction or built last June

But love the skyscrapers in Chicago - did the river architecture tour last year - really enjoyed it and the views from the Trump lounge are really nice
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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I love Chicago but it has never looked or felt like the ocean. Nose and eyes give it away Still great but no not the ocean
Nose gives it away, but the size of it from ground level is what I mean. Waves...depends on what you're used to. I have been in some pretty sad places where the waves suck (yes the lake actually does get waves..but not always big ones).

Funny story. I used to date a girl originally from Hawaii - before I moved to Chicago. She lives in Hawaii again..she only spent a few years in the mainland. She's a little spacy sometimes and I showed her a picture of a few beaches of Chicago and she literally thought I was showing her Waikiki which she lives not too far from (and she grew up maybe 20 minutes away). Pretty funny. The architecture is different, but then she said "oh weird..it looks like the ocean from the pictures." The nose definitely gives it away..at least for the US but the size of it from ground level could convince someone for sure.


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And pretty sure all those were under or built last June
None of these were built last June. Just some being built but none of these barely were up. In June, the Optima Center had maybe 9-12 floors of a skeleton built. But literally Coast and 500 N Lake Shore Drive just topped out maybe 1 month ago..MAYBE 1.5 months ago and Optima topped out maybe 2 weeks ago.

The others on the list? The only one that was even being constructed last June was Waterview which was sitting dormant for like 3 years, but they just recently began construction on it again a few months ago (someone bought the site last year and put their plans forth but it took months before any acton started). The West Loop place literally started construction just a few weeks ago.

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But love the skyscrapers in Chicago - did the river architecture tour last year - really enjoyed it and the views from the Trump lounge are really nice
River Architecture tour is a must. I like the southern view from the 96th floor lounge at the John Hancock.
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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well development timing space constraints Boston and Philly would qualify if only by street layout that really never changed

Why in parts they feel so compressed

I mean look at S Philly Built almost exclusively pre auto or even close to the time

Not many places ended up with miles of blocks that look like this even outside the core (again not saying better by any means)

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Phila...93.08,,0,-6.19


or from above

“It’s a Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood" | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
I still don't understand what that has to do with space constraints. Philly and Boston are built the way they are because of transportation/techonological limitations. It simply wasn't possible to build a city like Houston in the early 19th Century. So their urban form is the result of the technology of the time, not a lack of space. The fact that both cities have rather low density and sprawling suburbs turns the space constraint argument on its ear.
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:12 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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People often say this, but if you think about it, what major U.S. cities other than most of NYC and SF truly have space constraints?
Seattle has a minor one with downtown and a good chunk of its surrounding area built on an isthmus between the Puget Sound and Lake Washington. The smaller city of Madison is also similarly bound on an isthmus by two fairly large lakes. They're not as tightly squeezed (just two rather than three or four sides), but still may have resulted in these two cities being more densely built up compared to their peers than they otherwise would be.
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:18 PM
 
Location: The City
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River Architecture tour is a must. I like the southern view from the 96th floor lounge at the John Hancock.
Yep - a drink at the lounge is very nice without having to pay for admission (well pricey drinks but the view is priceless and way outdated decor, but with views like that who cares). I like the evening views


Plus they say the fastest elevator in the world

0 to 96 in merely seconds

You dont have to sell me on Chicago honestly...
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Yep - a drink at the lounge is very nice without having to pay for admission (well pricey drinks but the view is priceless and way outdated decor, but with views like that who cares). I like the evening views
I much prefer it to Sears Tower. You can get coffee and tea there actually if you're feeling cheap LOL..

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You dont have to sell me on Chicago honestly...
LOL it's conversation, not selling. I already know you know a lot about Chicago
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:01 PM
 
Location: NYC
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I would not call those streets wide. They are not European narrow, but most people who come to visit Chicago only seen the Loop and Near North Side. To them, that's what Chicago is. Most streets there are wide. Every road in the normal neighborhoods, even in Brighton Park or Irving Park as you showed, are still nowhere near as grand as the roads you see in the Loop or River North on average or even close to it unless it's a main road....which is not unique. Most cities around the world, even the densest, have roads that are wide in certain places.

For the record, Irving Park is barely less dense than Lincoln Park.
I really doubt that anybody thinks that all of Chicago looks like the Loop and NNS. Probably not even Toure. So worry not, my friend.
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:25 PM
 
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I really doubt that anybody thinks that all of Chicago looks like the Loop and NNS. Probably not even Toure. So worry not, my friend.
Oh I know that... I'm not narrow minded. If I see that one is better then the other I will state it.
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