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and 7K for an independent city is a little suspect, especially since its neighbor is the second densest place in the U.S.
This is meaningless because density is not relevant when discussing whether a city is suburban or not.
Density is totally unimportant-what is important is seeing how people live and work.
Once again for 'ole times sake: Oakland is Oaklanders biggest place of employment. Oakland has its own sports teams, its own international airport, its own massive port, its own vibrant walkable neighborhoods, its own restaurant scene, its own arts scene, its own nightlife, its own busy downtown and its own widereaching transportation system and so on.
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and 7K for an independent city is a little suspect, especially since its neighbor is the second densest place in the U.S.
You realize that the density your just described is larger than most other larger cities.
Density is a dumb way to categorize a city for it's importance, IMHO. I wish i could say fact instead of the "IMHO" part, but people tend to be naive about it..
Suburban areas can have all these things, well maybe not all, but at least some. I think most airports are in suburbs anyway and a great many suburbs have their downtown and walkable neighborhoods, just without the tall shiny buildings. I think this can go either way and it really isn't important whether Oakland is considered a suburb of SF or not.
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Once again: Oakland is Oaklanders biggest place of employment. Oakland has its own sports teams, its own international airport, its own massive port, its own vibrant walkable neighborhoods, its own restaurant scene, its own arts scene, its own nightlife, its own busy downtown and its own widereaching transportation system and so on.
Suburban areas can have all these things, well maybe not all, but at least some. I think most airports are in suburbs anyway and a great many suburbs have their downtown and walkable neighborhoods, just without the tall shiny buildings. I think this can go either way and it really isn't important whether Oakland is considered a suburb of SF or not.
yes, but Oakland is not a suburb-if it were, I would have no problem saying that.
I don't know of any suburb that has all of the things I mention in within its municipal borders?
A thriving, busy Downtown,
3 Pro Sports Teams,
its own international airport,
its own massive port,
its own vibrant walkable neighborhoods,
its own restaurant scene,
its own arts scene,
its own nightlife,
its own widereaching transportation system
and so on.
Name a single suburb anywhere in America that has all within its borders and I will gladly concede.
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yes, but Oakland is not a suburb-if it were, I would have no problem saying that.
I don't know of any suburb that has all of the things I mention in within its municipal borders?
A thriving, busy Downtown,
3 Pro Sports Teams,
its own international airport,
its own massive port,
its own vibrant walkable neighborhoods,
its own restaurant scene,
its own arts scene,
its own nightlife,
its own widereaching transportation system
and so on.
Name a single suburb anywhere in America that has all within its borders and I will gladly concede.
You forgot the history that revolved around the Black Panthers and Malcolm X.
A suburb would never get that kind of national recognition historically.
You forgot the history that revolved around the Black Panthers and Malcolm X.
A suburb would never get that kind of national recognition historically.
The Black Panthers definitely started in Oakland....but Malcolm X was born in Omaha, lived in Boston, Michigan, NYC, etc. He was an East coast and midwest dude, not west coast, and not Oakland (though he definitely had/has plenty of followers over here).
You forgot the history that revolved around the Black Panthers and Malcolm X.
A suburb would never get that kind of national recognition historically.
????????
So I guess that Valley Forge(near KOP), a suburb, has no history.
Many suburbs(back east anyway) started off as the massive estates of founding fathers, and colonial big business men, then evolved into trolley/railroad stops, then evolved into massive malls and shopping centers with the advent of the car.
Maybe out west the suburbs have no history, but I don't know.
Suburbs out here are full of history(you can still see it in may of them)
yes, but Oakland is not a suburb-if it were, I would have no problem saying that.
I don't know of any suburb that has all of the things I mention in within its municipal borders?
A thriving, busy Downtown,
3 Pro Sports Teams,
its own international airport,
its own massive port,
its own vibrant walkable neighborhoods,
its own restaurant scene,
its own arts scene,
its own nightlife,
its own widereaching transportation system
and so on.
Name a single suburb anywhere in America that has all within its borders and I will gladly concede.
But who goes to Oakland, unless they're too broke for SF.
But who goes to Oakland, unless they're too broke for SF.
once again, your ignorance on Oakland and the Bay Area shines through.
It might interest you to know that Oakland, Pop. 400,000, is just behind Philadelphia, Pop 1,400,000, when it comes to households that earn $200,000+ annually.
Cities Ranked by the number of households earning $200,000+ Annually, 2007
New York, NY 177,361
Los Angeles, CA 78,427
Chicago, IL 43,703
San Francisco, CA 35,748
Houston, TX 35,734
San Diego, CA 29,223
San Jose, CA 27,055
Dallas, TX 23,883
Washington, DC 21,194
Seattle, WA 19,108
Phoenix, AZ 18,219
Austin, TX 14,686
Boston, MA 14,443
Charlotte, NC 14,407
Atlanta, GA 13,635
San Antonio, TX 10,861
Denver, CO 10,365 Philadelphia, PA 9,747
Oakland, CA 8,985 Las Vegas, NV 8,608
Honolulu, HI 8,335
Indianapolis, IN 8,237
Portland, OR 8,129
Nashville-Davidson, TN 6,285
Memphis, TN 6,285
Long Beach, CA 6,255
Minneapolis, MN 6,155
Oklahoma City, OK 6,058
Louisville-Jefferson, KY 5,742
Baltimore, MD 5,510
Fort Worth, TX 5,317
Virginia Beach, VA 5,144
Sacramento, CA 4,733
Colorado Springs, CO 4,506
Mesa, AZ 4,312
Columbus, OH 4,208
Omaha, NE 4,131
Anaheim, CA 4,126
Kansas City, MO 4,077
Albuquerque, NM 4,039
Miami, FL 3,982
El Paso, TX 3,861
New Orleans, LA 3,565
Cincinnati, OH 3,489
Pittsburgh, PA 3,081
Fresno, CA 3,026
Bakersfield, CA 2,903
Detroit, MI 2,485
So I ask once again: Name a single suburb anywhere in America that has all these things within its municipal borders?
A thriving, busy Downtown,
3 Pro Sports Teams,
its own international airport,
its own massive port,
its own vibrant walkable neighborhoods,
its own restaurant scene,
its own arts scene,
its own nightlife,
its own widereaching transportation system
and so on.
The answer is you can't name one because it doesnt exist.
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