[SteveM85]

Originally Posted by JayCT

The founder and Executive Director of the Center for Child Advocacy and the Chief Operating Officer f the Village for Children and Families have outlined an eight point plan to address the juvenile crime problem that our state is facing. It includes things like providing counseling services, education services and employment programs which all sound very nice, but how about disciple and accountability? That seems to be the one thing lacking in all of these kids lives, particularly the repeat offenders. JMHO, Jay

https://www.courant.com/opinion/op-e...db4-story.html

Discipline and accountability have failed - miserably, and the 8 point plan outlined by these groups is destined to fail like all others before them. Proven failures. 100% failure rates. Every plan, every program, every avenue has been exhausted and nothing works to curb juvenile crime. Tough on crime, soft on crime, prosecute, don't prosecute, jailtime, catch and release, democrat, republican, nothing works. There's nothing left to do. There isn't anything anyone can do about it. You just hope for two non-abusive involved parents that care when they pull you out Day one.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by SteveM85

Discipline and accountability have failed - miserably, and the 8 point plan outlined by these groups is destined to fail like all others before them. Proven failures. 100% failure rates. Every plan, every program, every avenue has been exhausted and nothing works to curb juvenile crime. Tough on crime, soft on crime, prosecute, don't prosecute, jailtime, catch and release, democrat, republican, nothing works. There's nothing left to do. There isn't anything anyone can do about it. You just hope for two non-abusive involved parents that care when they pull you out Day one.

The fact that juvenile crime exploded immediately following Malloy’s closure of detention centers and changing of laws (eliminating accountability) is all the proof we need to see that discipline and accountability works.

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

The fact that juvenile crime exploded immediately following Malloy’s closure of detention centers and changing of laws (eliminating accountability) is all the proof we need to see that discipline and accountability works.

Exactly. And kids with parents who care aren’t usually repeat offenders. Years back my neighbors son got caught with his friends taking stuff from cars overnight. Let’s just say going to court to get probation was the least of his problems. His friends were history as was his freedom for several years. Now he’s a responsible father with a good job and a nice home. That’s being held accountable and discipline. Jay

[SteveM85]

Originally Posted by JayCT

Exactly. And kids with parents who care aren’t usually repeat offenders. Years back my neighbors son got caught with his friends taking stuff from cars overnight. Let’s just say going to court to get probation was the least of his problems. His friends were history as was his freedom for several years. Now he’s a responsible father with a good job and a nice home. That’s being held accountable and discipline. Jay

Proven failure. Most go back. No two ifs about it. Heartfelt programs failed too. All guaranteed. Nothing can be done or corrected.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by JayCT

Exactly. And kids with parents who care aren’t usually repeat offenders. Years back my neighbors son got caught with his friends taking stuff from cars overnight. Let’s just say going to court to get probation was the least of his problems. His friends were history as was his freedom for several years. Now he’s a responsible father with a good job and a nice home. That’s being held accountable and discipline. Jay

Good to hear, but I would bet he and his friends had never committed a crime before. That matters.

I agree discipline works or can for "one offs", but lets face facts. We have a large amount of repeat again and again youthful offenders. I wish records were only sealed UNLESS one commits and is convicted of a felony as an adult. IMO, the public then deserves to see the criminal record dating back to childhood for the defendant.

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

Good to hear, but I would bet he and his friends had never committed a crime before. That matters.

I agree discipline works or can for "one offs", but lets face facts. We have a large amount of repeat again and again youthful offenders. I wish records were only sealed UNLESS one commits and is convicted of a felony as an adult. IMO, the public then deserves to see the criminal record dating back to childhood for the defendant.

Maybe I wasn’t clear, his parents made sure this was his only offense. He was never left alone, even after school during the day. His mother or father were with him. He had to stop seeing his friends. I believe the parents went as far as going to the school to change his schedule to be away from these kids. This went on for two years. I think it ended when he turned 18 but his parents also told him that if it happened again, they weren’t bailing him out of jail.

I will say I used this as a lesson for my kids by openly endorsing all that these parents did and implying I’d go further. I let them imagine what that would be. Fortunately I’ve never had a problem and hopefully never will. Lucky me. Jay

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by JayCT

Maybe I wasn’t clear, his parents made sure this was his only offense. He was never left alone, even after school during the day. His mother or father were with him. He had to stop seeing his friends. I believe the parents went as far as going to the school to change his schedule to be away from these kids. This went on for two years. I think it ended when he turned 18 but his parents also told him that if it happened again, they weren’t bailing him out of jail.

I will say I used this as a lesson for my kids by openly endorsing all that these parents did and implying I’d go further. I let them imagine what that would be. Fortunately I’ve never had a problem and hopefully never will. Lucky me. Jay

Good luck finding parents similar in our cities, watching violent acts by the same "kids" again and again.

[MikefromCT]

Originally Posted by SteveM85

Proven failure. Most go back. No two ifs about it. Heartfelt programs failed too. All guaranteed. Nothing can be done or corrected.

Well no, there is something that can be done. The difference is in approach. Our lawmakers think these poor little boys and girls just need a crying room and a safe space, and these "children" can be rehabilitated. Unfortunately, you can't rehabilitate someone who refuses to lift a finger to improve their attitude and behavior, and that's what we have here. Rehabilitation does not work. Deterrence, on the other hand, likely would. I don't like the idea of having to change the laws where people fear the law, but unfortunately, it seems that's what's called for here.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by MikefromCT

Well no, there is something that can be done. The difference is in approach. Our lawmakers think these poor little boys and girls just need a crying room and a safe space, and these "children" can be rehabilitated. Unfortunately, you can't rehabilitate someone who refuses to lift a finger to improve their attitude and behavior, and that's what we have here. Rehabilitation does not work. Deterrence, on the other hand, likely would. I don't like the idea of having to change the laws where people fear the law, but unfortunately, it seems that's what's called for here.

Fear is productive. Ut alters behavior for the better in some cases.

[SteveM85]

Originally Posted by MikefromCT

Well no, there is something that can be done. The difference is in approach. Our lawmakers think these poor little boys and girls just need a crying room and a safe space, and these "children" can be rehabilitated. Unfortunately, you can't rehabilitate someone who refuses to lift a finger to improve their attitude and behavior, and that's what we have here. Rehabilitation does not work. Deterrence, on the other hand, likely would. I don't like the idea of having to change the laws where people fear the law, but unfortunately, it seems that's what's called for here.

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

Fear is productive. Ut alters behavior for the better in some cases.

Both rehabilitaion and deterrence have both failed and will continue to fail.
Most have a pre-disposed lack of fear so that won't work either.