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Almost half the country are anti-vaxers, at least when it comes to flu vaccinations? To quote from this article, "public messaging or information from CDC does no good and just makes them dig in their heels".
So the vaccine didn't kill them but an error in storage. Gotcha...
Just like the person who died of measles actually died of pneumonia.
As has been said, we do not know yet. I personally suspect that the "cleaner" grabbed the wrong vial to reconstitute the vaccine with. Improper storage usually just makes the vaccine less effective. It would not cause someone to die. Here in the US we do not have janitors giving vaccines and we do not store vaccines and lab chemicals in the same refrigerator. Such an error would not happen here.
The person who died of measles died of pneumonia due to the measles virus. Your not knowing that measles itself can cause pneumonia just underlines how little you know about the disease.
Actually he's partially right. The virus has never been isolated in a HUMAN. If you have a photo of the virus labeled "isolated in human" feel free to post it.
Almost half the country are anti-vaxers, at least when it comes to flu vaccinations? To quote from this article, "public messaging or information from CDC does no good and just makes them dig in their heels".
Maybe more "consequences" for refusal?
That is just a sad commentary on the level of anti-science ignorance in this country. Considering the things posted here on CD, it's not surprising.
Actually he's partially right. The virus has never been isolated in a HUMAN. If you have a photo of the virus labeled "isolated in human" feel free to post it.
how do you think they diagnose it if it has "never been isolated in a human"???? did you pass sixth grade biology???
I doubt there will be any follow up on this in the news so we will never know what happened. It sounds like there is a lot of finger pointing going on and no one is taking any responsibility. It also doesn't sound like there will be autopsies. The blame will probably just go to the "cleaner" who has been administering vaccines in Kenya for years but is now suddenly unqualified and the scapegoat despite not having any evidence that he or she was at fault. The vaccine is never to blame. That's how these things always go. Kenya: Probe Team On Killer Measles Jab Rebuffed - allAfrica.com
As has been said, we do not know yet. I personally suspect that the "cleaner" grabbed the wrong vial to reconstitute the vaccine with. Improper storage usually just makes the vaccine less effective. It would not cause someone to die. Here in the US we do not have janitors giving vaccines and we do not store vaccines and lab chemicals in the same refrigerator. Such an error would not happen here.
The person who died of measles died of pneumonia due to the measles virus. Your not knowing that measles itself can cause pneumonia just underlines how little you know about the disease.
That is just a sad commentary on the level of anti-science ignorance in this country. Considering the things posted here on CD, it's not surprising.
Another recent Pew Poll found that over half of American do not trust Medical Professionals. New "used car salesmen" confidence. Connection maybe with that anti-vax and anti-medical professionals. Look up that Pew Poll yourself.
Perhaps, these threads here on CD will serve more to educate YOU ""medical professionals on American attitudes instead. More you PUSH, the more backlash you get. It really is just human nature. Psych 101.
Another recent Pew Poll found that over half of American do not trust Medical Professionals. New "used car salesmen" confidence. Connection maybe with that anti-vax and anti-medical professionals. Look up that Pew Poll yourself.
Perhaps, these threads here on CD will serve more to educate YOU ""medical professionals on American attitudes instead. More you PUSH, the more backlash you get. It really is just human nature. Psych 101.
Interestingly, 90% of nurses, 92% of physicians, and 85.7% of pharmacists took the flu vaccine last winter. Not just recommended, mind you, took one themselves. We know that flu vaccine has an unknown, often low, efficacy, yet huge numbers of these professionals trust the vaccine enough to use it themselves!http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6337a1.htm
Opened alarmist thread started by anti-vaxxer, saw OP and Jo getting called out for irrational and scientifically dubious claims, getting owned as usual. All went better than expected.
Proven science > conspiracy theories. Yay science!
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Originally Posted by Jo48
I am not quoting science either way. I am only giving my own elderly life experiences. If that flies in the face of what you consider unscientific and dangerous, it just is what is. If it wasn't true, then I would not be alive today at my age, or posting on here. Living proof, as they say. I am sure there are millions of others with the same life experiences, but people with a certain agenda do not want to hear or know it.
So someone who posts on a scientific topic admits to not caring about science. Newsflash, your toenail story is neither interesting nor relevant. Why you feel the need to share every biological event through your childhood is perplexing to me.
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Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady
As one cranky old hippie to another, who has personally seen the results of your kind of thinking, CUT IT OUT! It is not "amusing" to any sane person to play with the lives of others, especially children. And Kool Aid comes in more than one flavor - the anti-vaccers drink it by the gallon.
You're not being "defiant" no matter what you tell yourself. You're being self-absorbed and refusing to see that other people exist and that they can be and have been harmed by people with just your "it didn't happen to me so it must not happen to anyone" kind of thinking.
You may have gotten older since your hippie days (yes, I marched and learned first hand how to dress to handle tear gas), but you haven't gotten any wiser (isn't that one of the points of aging and one of the perks?); you appear to be stuck in adolescent "the world revolves around me and my experience is the sum total of the experience of the world".
Amen!
Yet another thread that mobilizes me in support of mandatory vaccination for attendance at public school. The thread started with alarmist unproven drivel and reminds us how unable some people are to understand science, risk and strong public health policy.
As has been said, we do not know yet. I personally suspect that the "cleaner" grabbed the wrong vial to reconstitute the vaccine with. Improper storage usually just makes the vaccine less effective. It would not cause someone to die. Here in the US we do not have janitors giving vaccines and we do not store vaccines and lab chemicals in the same refrigerator. Such an error would not happen here.
The person who died of measles died of pneumonia due to the measles virus. Your not knowing that measles itself can cause pneumonia just underlines how little you know about the disease.
Do you always try to mix up the intent of a very clear post or is it just that you like to think you are in possession of so much information begging to be shared? The woman died of measles in as much as those children died from the vaccine. Measles compromised her already weakened state and pneumonia, whether from measles or not, would have killed her regardless. If those children were never vaccinated they would be alive today. Since we cannot verify what is in the vaccine, we cannot access risk until after it is too late. Therefore, mandating vaccination is wrong.
That is just a sad commentary on the level of anti-science ignorance in this country. Considering the things posted here on CD, it's not surprising.
In cases where hemorrhagic fever kills, it would not need cell culture growth to be seen... it would be in sufficient quantity already.
Also, that last article has a photo that can be purchased on Getty Images. It was first displayed in 2010 in an article about cold blasting as a treatment for drug resistant bacteria. Not the first time an image has been repurposed...
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