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Kill him or her, some people are born to goose step and wet their pants at uniforms, any uniforms worn by whatever unqualified jerks.
Losing a place to live in the middle of winter when you are 57 y.o., and selling your arse is tough, is stressful, it is double stressful when you have a young kid in your custody. The cop should have anticipated that a 57 y.o. would be stressed out just enough to do stupid things. Cops should anticipate and/or de-escalate mundane situations like these, but after reading CD forums most of them believe they are paid to kill/shoot at the slightest sign of trouble. Are you immune of stress and doing stupid things?
Are you serious? Maybe he should have sold his gun to get his rent money! DOH! What a novel idea! Paying the rent instead of buying guns ... or smokes ... or booze ... or dope! Next, somebody will expect people like "Dad" to get off his lazy arse and get a job!
"shoot at the slightest sign of trouble" & "de-escalate mundane situations like these"
This is arguably the finest example I've read around here of someone crafting a narrative different from reality so that it fits in their worldview.
I mean it's so "out there" that I don't think you even realize what you're doing.
I can only imagine what life experience or past event(s) has set you on a path where you have to wildly change what happened in your mind in order to still blame the officer.
having a fully loaded .223 with 30 rounds in the mag pointed at you is now considered 'the slightest sign of trouble'
First, if you feel that routinely carrying/holding a firearm out of view, while answering a knock on the door or a doorbell is a normal and acceptable reaction, then maybe you're engaged in something you shouldn't be doing or you need to live in a better neighborhood.
Second, you might want to read the article before commenting or work on those reading comprehension skills because it states very clearly in the article that the constable's shot struck the subject in the arm and the bullet passed through and struck the daughter.
In the arm???
He aimed the arm??
No.
He must have guessed the guy is standing behind the rifle and shot.
How do you miss a guy's body from point blank???
Only if you are blind or couldn't see through the door.
Did you read the article? The officer did hit him in the arm. He did not kill him, nor did he shoot to kill. He did exactly what you advocate here.
The parent was highly negligent in allowing a child to be present at the scene of what was to become a shoot-out. The dad was prepared that morning to face a shoot-out, yet he didn't tell his child to stay in her room. His negligence killed her.
Exactly my point. I was making a point that anti-cop folks always blame the cop for not "shooting to wound." Here, they did, and look at the result. If they had actually shot at the man's center, that little girl might well still be alive.
He knew they were coming, and he was ready. I guess you think the cop should have waited until he actually pulled the trigger?
No but what stopped the guy from shooting the officer if he got hit in the arm with a single bullet?
If that was the intent, did he shoot?
In any case, it'd be a much better outcome if officer killed the guy instead of guessing and shooting where he is from outside the door.
All in all, a sad incident.
When guns are drawn, death is pretty much there but in this case, an innocent life is lost.
How do you miss a guy's body from point blank???
Only if you are blind or couldn't see through the door.
Or, as a certain number of police and soldiers can tell you: When it is your first time in a combat like situation and you are extremely stressed and a little frightned.
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If they had actually shot at the man's center, that little girl might well still be alive.
He may have well intended to shoot center mass. My general undestanding is that this is easier said than done when under stress.
In short, shooting other humans who are armed and intend to fire back is totally different than shooting paper targets. While they may seem similar, one can be far harder than the other.
The constable was there to enforce a writ of possession...not an eviction notice. The court process had already taken place and the constable was there to remove the tenants. The tenant had a chance to appeal the possession order but didn't. The tenant knew that the constable was coming that day to remove him and his family. Constable was doing his job...PERIOD. Father is responsible for the death of his child....PERIOD.
Exactly! The problem isn't the police; it's the people at the bottom of the societal pile who don't live up to their obligations (and often plead ignorance when they don't), and the lowest-common-denominator thinkers within our media who know there's more to be gained by pandering to the lower strata among the lumpenproletariat than in maintaining respect for the responsible majority.
And I suspect that this divide is going to widen as globalism continues to diminish the advantages which North American society artificially enjoyed for many years. (My apologies to Mr. Trump and his flock, but it can't be brought back.) Sooner or later, we are going to have to lay out the cold, hard facts to people who simply expected too much, and are looking for someone else to blame.
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Are you serious? Maybe he should have sold his gun to get his rent money! DOH! What a novel idea! Paying the rent instead of buying guns ... or smokes ... or booze ... or dope! Next, somebody will expect people like "Dad" to get off his lazy arse and get a job!
And the fathering of a child while in one's mid-forties, in an apparently unstable family environment and a contracting economy, is not exactly a measure of foresight, but who's going to be the next to sit in judgment, or try to play God?
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Next, somebody will expect people like "Dad" to get off his lazy arse and get a job! 
The officer did hit him in the arm. He did not kill him, nor did he shoot to kill. He did exactly what you advocate here. 
