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Old 01-24-2017, 11:20 AM
 
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What we really have here is a group that wants to live a very traditional lifestyle. Yet, they insist on living among a huge population that does not share their values.
Did the Amish recently move to this area, or have they been living there for a long time? If it's the latter, you can't really say that they 'insist' on living among people who don't share their values. Because it would mean that the population has grown up AROUND them and now the Amish are the ones being asked to change to fit a changing community.

If that is the case, then I have to side with the Amish. If their practice hasn't changed in say 200 years, then I'm not in favor of placing the burden on them. Let the community who is expanding around them deal with the known issues. It's like moving to a nuisance. You knew about it, so deal with it.
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Old 01-24-2017, 11:24 AM
 
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Do the people who go out of their way to make excuses for the amish...ever actually have any experience with the amish?
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Old 01-24-2017, 11:26 AM
 
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THAT is a reasonable and good idea. At the same time requiring diapers seems a bit excessive. Cleaning up in public use areas, no problem. Nobody should step on a turd in a parking lot or even run over it on a public road.

What are we going to do about wild animal feces on roads, or dead animals, and trash. Lets not forget about cleaning up after the human animals.

I agree about public use areas, parking lots and places people walk. Roads a turd here and there, meh.

Can someone post a photo of a road or public use area littered with horse feces. I would really like to see the dilemma we're dealing with here.
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Old 01-24-2017, 11:32 AM
 
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Do the people who go out of their way to make excuses for the amish...ever actually have any experience with the amish?
I have to admit I dont have experience with Amish. We have Mennonite communities here and dont experience any problems. I wouldn't say I'm going out of my way to make excuses I am just trying to understand if there is a real problem.
People say, yes I have had poop on my tire, yes there is heavy buggy traffic, horse poop is the main culprit in distribution of the weed epidemic and then I here no its not a problem.
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Old 01-24-2017, 12:08 PM
 
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As a child, (yes, it was a looong time ago) the milkman, breadman, iceman, produce huckster, all had horses pulling their wagons and nature being what it is, when they horses had to go, they went.


My Grandpa had a beautiful flower garden. His dahlias were the size of dinner plates. And that was because I had a little shovel and a pail and when there was no traffic, I scooted into the street, scooped up the turds and put them in the bucket. I took them to the back yard where Pop had a small area for keeping fresh poop. When it had aged to the point that it wouldn't burn the plants, he'd mix it with some soil and work it into the flower beds. He got beautiful flowers. I got 2 cents a turd!
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Old 01-24-2017, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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If horses are not the primary cause of the spread of weeds, the why does CO (and many other states, I assume) have laws on the books?
Because birds are hard to prosecute.
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Old 01-24-2017, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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I wonder how many of the people who think this is a major health hazard eat fast food on a regular basis?
Or smoke? Drink pop? "I drink a 6-pack of Mountain Dew every day and I'll be dad-gum if I want some fly landin' on my can after it lit on some road apples!"

The fact of the matter is, horse poop is pretty clean stuff as poop goes. It doesn't carry the same kind of nasty bacteria that human feces does. In fact, if it weren't for the likely presence of wormer it would be edible. Although I still wouldn't recommend it because it tastes like crap.

Horses really don't spread noxious weeds to any extent. They mostly eat grass, alfalfa, clover, corn, and oats. They don't generally eat Canada thistle. If you see a patch of Canada thistle where horses often travel it most likely sprung from seeds dropped by birds who stopped there to pick through the horse manure for bits of corn and oats.

I read a couple of local articles on this issue. The law does in fact require a diaper of sorts to be attached to the horse. A device attached to the buggy won't suffice. Knowing a little about horses, I can assure you that something like this won't work.

I'd have to see some photographic evidence before I buy into the idea that these horses are creating a lifestyle-altering level of manure. We've got a pretty large Amish population in my county, and while you do see organic evidence of their travels along the road, it's certainly not enough to cause a significant problem. Heck, I see way more dead possums on the road than piles of horse manure, and they're a much greater threat to public health.
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Old 01-24-2017, 03:57 PM
 
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Do the people who go out of their way to make excuses for the amish...ever actually have any experience with the amish?
Yes. This community I reside in is amicable to the life style choices. It's a public road, not "my" road. Most ppl of this faith do have leather bags for their horse manure.

I cannot speak ill of my fellow citizens... I saw first hand how they live the word of their faith. When their school children were shot in a small school house...They showed dignity where others could not ...

I get that the odor and sight is unpleasant...I also get that they didn't ask to be catered to, they asked to be left to their traditional ways...Big difference.
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Old 01-24-2017, 03:58 PM
 
Location: At the corner of happy and free
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I wonder how many of the people who think this is a major health hazard eat fast food on a regular basis?
Or smoke? Drink pop? "I drink a 6-pack of Mountain Dew every day and I'll be dad-gum if I want some fly landin' on my can after it lit on some road apples!"

The fact of the matter is, horse poop is pretty clean stuff as poop goes. It doesn't carry the same kind of nasty bacteria that human feces does. In fact, if it weren't for the likely presence of wormer it would be edible. Although I still wouldn't recommend it because it tastes like crap.

Horses really don't spread noxious weeds to any extent. They mostly eat grass, alfalfa, clover, corn, and oats. They don't generally eat Canada thistle. If you see a patch of Canada thistle where horses often travel it most likely sprung from seeds dropped by birds who stopped there to pick through the horse manure for bits of corn and oats.

I read a couple of local articles on this issue. The law does in fact require a diaper of sorts to be attached to the horse. A device attached to the buggy won't suffice. Knowing a little about horses, I can assure you that something like this won't work.

I'd have to see some photographic evidence before I buy into the idea that these horses are creating a lifestyle-altering level of manure. We've got a pretty large Amish population in my county, and while you do see organic evidence of their travels along the road, it's certainly not enough to cause a significant problem. Heck, I see way more dead possums on the road than piles of horse manure, and they're a much greater threat to public health.
If what you say is true, I wonder why they don't go after the law as unfounded and unnecessary, rather than claiming horse diapers violate their religious beliefs. That is the puzzling reason I started this thread.
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Old 01-24-2017, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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That's the beauty of religion, it can persuade people to embrace just about any screwball notion such as it would breach the cosmic order to put a butt bag under your horse's backside.
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