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I'm 53, disabled from a failed lumbar fusion with rods and screws. I walk with a cane. Been legally disabled since my late 30's. I would have given up my seat to the man in the wheel chair as I still consider myself able bodied since I don't need a chair yet.
The wheel chair accessible seats should be for wheel chair bound only unless the bus isn't full. If someone is sitting there when someone with a chair needs to ride then whoever is there should have to move, period.
I can't agree with that. What about a person with spine problems or diabetic neuropathy who might be in pain having to stand? Before my laminectomy, I might have appeared able bodied and fine, but the reason I was taking a bus is I was in too much pain to drive to the doctor. No one knows anyone's story and can't go by appearances. You can't start putting people into rankings of disability. I don't know anything about this woman, if she was able bodied she should have stood but in general I would never say wheelchair automatically means another disabled person has to stand.
And to the left of that sign, right above her head was indeed a sign that said that space was reserved for mobility devices with a picture of a wheelchair.
Fact: She was sitting in the seats reserved for seniors and disabled, as was indicated by the sign.
Fact: She is likely both a senior and disabled.
Fact: The sign is in compliance with federal law.
Fact: Even is she was not a senior and/or disabled, there is no law which would require her to give up that seat.
But please don't let any of these facts stop you from making up your own narrative, and being outraged over nothing.
Last edited by Cloudy Dayz; 08-28-2018 at 01:09 PM..
Individuals with disability or elderly persons, sitting in a location designated as priority seating for elderly and handicapped persons are the exception. None of that applies to them. She was sitting in priority seating for elderly and handicapped persons, as is evident by sign on the window.
Why are you ignoring the second part of the (j) rule? Are you maintaining an illogical position simply because, like our prez, you can't admit you're wrong?
The "exception" only applies to the first part, not to the second part. The second part clearly "trumps" the first part.
Did you listen to the obnoxious passenger uproar? Could be a contributing factor as to why she stood her ground.
Whom ever left an anon rep that mental disability isn't an excuse; I feel sorry for you. That could be you or a loved one. No ones exempt from disabilities.
Some states are still different, but.... New to CA this law (this year):
Anyone (elderly or disabled) without a wheelchair must give up seats designated for a wheelchair, period. They may then take the next priority seating. Per ADA civil rights human, and LA Metro had this info immediately when I asked.
There are 2 areas for wheelchairs, with no expected expansion of another seat, but they told me how to look further, and who to contact.
The people I spoke with in regards to civil rights say it is hard to interpret the ever changing information.
Also, dealing with mentally, or psychologically disabled people (who look “fine”) in whatever form are the biggest challenges for many people to grasp.
Hoping we can all have compassion for someone who may have mental or psychological disability.
Some states are still different, but.... New to CA this law (this year):
Anyone (elderly or disabled) without a wheelchair must give up seats designated for a wheelchair, period. They may then take the next priority seating. Per ADA civil rights human, and LA Metro had this info immediately when I asked.
There are 2 areas for wheelchairs, with no expected expansion of another seat, but they told me how to look further, and who to contact.
The people I spoke with in regards to civil rights say it is hard to interpret the ever changing information.
Also, dealing with mentally, or psychologically disabled people (who look “fine”) in whatever form are the biggest challenges for many people to grasp.
Hoping we can all have compassion for someone who may have mental or psychological disability.
So an elderly person with a cane has to give up their seat so that the wheelchair user can fit? How many other seats does that leave for seniors and non wheelchair disabled users?
So an elderly person with a cane has to give up their seat so that the wheelchair user can fit? How many other seats does that leave for seniors and non wheelchair disabled users?
OK go by age. I work in skilled nursing rehab and we have plenty of people who are disabled in their 50s and 60s as well. There are 85-year-old in fantastic shape and 65-year-olds that can’t walk 10 feet.
I'm talking about her age and the "elderly" requirement for the seat. Not about disability. I'm well aware that young people can be disabled. Good grief. Nobody that you are posting to here is that dumb.
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Again the exception:
