DFW High Schools ranked by SAT 2012-2013 (Dallas, Fort Worth: apartment, elementary school)

[HockDad]

Originally Posted by GripeWater

Lakewooder, Lakedad, Lakewood Parent ... Lakewood has taken over CD.

True- but I am enjoying the heck out of it. First, I think that TC80 did an almost 180 degree turn after reviewing the numbers. Second, I love people that are passionate about their schools. Third, Lakewood is in the heart of the city and pretty interesting place.

[Walter Benjamin]

New post!!

Dallas, Texas Area School Information: 2012 SAT Scores Ranked by Demographic Group in Dallas-Fort Worth Area High Schools

Scores broken down by ethnicity.

If you leave out the magnets and charters, the top scores for each subgroup are achieved at very different schools.

Top Asian scores: Southlake Carroll, Plano West, Plano Senior, Coppell

Top white scores: HP, Cedar Hill Collegiate, Fort Worth Paschal, Garland

Top Hispanic scores: Southlake Carroll, HP, Cedar Hill Collegiate, Coppell

Top African-American scores: Flower Mound, Keller, Carroll, Frisco Centennial


Only the Asian list is entirely "usual suspects." I wonder if that implies that high Asian scores have a disproportionate effect on the overall rankings.

I also wonder if, for any given parent, it makes sense to consider the scores for "your" subgroup. I'm a white parent, but how much should I be concerned with HP and Cedar Hill doing well for "my people" (whites)? Feels perhaps a bit strange to take that into account.

Much like the Texas system as a whole, Cedar Hill Collegiate does quite well subgroup by subgroup, but gets "penalized" on the overall ranking for its overall demographic mix.

[Lakewooder]

Originally Posted by GripeWater

Lakewooder, Lakedad, Lakewood Parent ... Lakewood has taken over CD.

Gripe Water you must know by now that Lakewood is the center of the Universe! :O

LakeDad my point is that there are more whites than in the past - if you look at it by each grade the numbers are much higher coming in vs. the enrollment of a few years ago. I'm not going to quote absolute statistics because you obviously have a passion for that and I don't have time to delve into it with the same zeal - however, I think you will see that Long and Woodrow each have around 100 more whites than just two or three years ago. That is significant. If you have the time, maybe you can find other "majority-minority" schools where that has happened. Personally, I don't know of any. There used to be a theory that if a school passed 60% in minority population that it would soon be all minority.

I took a junior-level statistics course when I was at SMU but I appreciate the needling remarks about consulting with Mr. Irby (a well-respected math teacher at Woodrow).

Here are some columns he has written:

Robert Irby: We need better students | Dallas Morning News

Robert Irby: Anti-testing politics threaten actual learning | Dallas Morning News

Robert Irby: In defense of the TPM | Dallas Morning News

Robert Irby: Teachers aren

I think most people would agree he is a competent teacher. We have many of them, and some exciting new blood from Teach For America. Woodrow is a quasi-headquarters for TFA in Dallas. Also we have an up-and-coming engineering section in our STEM academy, with several interesting courses. Woodrow Wilson High School :: Science, Technology, Engineering and Math Academy

As far as your accusation that I am misleading people when I said "we have a critical mass of students taking AP and IB who go on to great colleges" - it is you who then you who set the bar at top 25 colleges. I think a college can be "great" without being one of those.

[Ramona72]

Originally Posted by Lakewooder

I think most people would agree he is a competent teacher. We have many of them, and some exciting new blood from Teach For America. Woodrow is a quasi-headquarters for TFA in Dallas.

Teach for America's mission is to send recent young graduates into low-income urban and rural areas that have traditionally had difficulty attracting and retaining quality teachers. They commit for two years, akin to a teaching "Peace Corps." Many if not most leave the classroom after their stint is up.

It is a highly controversial program, and I am surprised that Woodrow boosters would in one breath be talking up TFA and in the other breath talking about affluent white families are flocking to the school. Plano and HP and Southlake do not use Teach for America teachers. Affluent white families do not want their children's high school teachers to be 24-year-olds who have every intention of leaving for law school in two years.

[TurtleCreek80]

Originally Posted by Ramona72

Teach for America's mission is to send recent young graduates into low-income urban and rural areas that have traditionally had difficulty attracting and retaining quality teachers. They commit for two years, akin to a teaching "Peace Corps." Many if not most leave the classroom after their stint is up.

It is a highly controversial program, and I am surprised that Woodrow boosters would in one breath be talking up TFA and in the other breath talking about affluent white families are flocking to the school. Plano and HP and Southlake do not use Teach for America teachers. Affluent white families do not want their children's high school teachers to be 24-year-olds who have every intention of leaving for law school in two years.

All good points and raises questions as to why TFA is "quasi-HQ'd" at Woodrow, given TFA's mission.

As an aside, TFA has a big personal connection to Dallas; Wendy Kopp (Highland Park HS '85) founded Teach For America as part of her undergraduate thesis at Princeton.

[lily76]

O MY Mansfield is 39!

[Lakewooder]

I don't know how many TFA teachers we have - I would guess three or four. I will ask. The ones I have met have been very enthusiastic and professional. I think that they are are shot in the arm for some of the students who need them. At first I was also a bit wary of them, as I support veteran teachers.

I personally know a TFA teacher who is working at TJ after graduating from UVA.

When I said "quasi-headquarters" I mean that they hold many meetings and training sessions there.

Here is some information quoting new-ish Woodrow Principal Kyle Richardson: The Brief and Wondrous Lives of Teach for America Teachers in DISD

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfa...principals.php

TFA's Miguel Solis worked for Mr. Richardson at Marsh Middle School, earned his masters at Harvard and has just been elected to the school board representing part of our attendance zone. I'd say that has worked very well for us.

[Considering Coming Back]

Originally Posted by Walter Benjamin

New post!!

Dallas, Texas Area School Information: 2012 SAT Scores Ranked by Demographic Group in Dallas-Fort Worth Area High Schools

Scores broken down by ethnicity.

If you leave out the magnets and charters, the top scores for each subgroup are achieved at very different schools.

Top Asian scores: Southlake Carroll, Plano West, Plano Senior, Coppell

Top white scores: HP, Cedar Hill Collegiate, Fort Worth Paschal, Garland

Top Hispanic scores: Southlake Carroll, HP, Cedar Hill Collegiate, Coppell

Top African-American scores: Flower Mound, Keller, Carroll, Frisco Centennial


Only the Asian list is entirely "usual suspects." I wonder if that implies that high Asian scores have a disproportionate effect on the overall rankings.

I also wonder if, for any given parent, it makes sense to consider the scores for "your" subgroup. I'm a white parent, but how much should I be concerned with HP and Cedar Hill doing well for "my people" (whites)? Feels perhaps a bit strange to take that into account.

Much like the Texas system as a whole, Cedar Hill Collegiate does quite well subgroup by subgroup, but gets "penalized" on the overall ranking for its overall demographic mix.

Thank you for the link! (A quibble with your break out. Cedar Hill Collegiate is a charter school.)

I actually do think you should only be concerned with your demographic subcategory. For example, it's great that mixed students at Rockwall score 1822, but why do whites only score 1581? How does that affect the campus overall score? What does it mean for your student?

I believe the SAT asks the students to self report HHI. It sure would be interesting to have that data at the campus level too!

[HockDad]

Originally Posted by Considering Coming Back

Thank you for the link! (A quibble with your break out. Cedar Hill Collegiate is a charter school.)

I actually do think you should only be concerned with your demographic subcategory. For example, it's great that mixed students at Rockwall score 1822, but why do whites only score 1581? How does that affect the campus overall score? What does it mean for your student?

I believe the SAT asks the students to self report HHI. It sure would be interesting to have that data at the campus level too!

I think you would also be concerned with your son's peers.

[Considering Coming Back]

Originally Posted by HockDad

I think you would also be concerned with your son's peers.

But I'm afraid in a stratified economy that just isn't the case. I'm concerned in the human right sense, but not in the day to day sense. I want there to be opportunities for kids from less affluent backgrounds. But it won't affect my kids SAT scores.

I can look at the data and see the number of students on F/R lunch, the number of white students, the average white SAT score, AP participation rate, etc and make an educated guess about the school environment.