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Old 06-15-2016, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I am a conservative on most issues and I totally do not think he cares about anything but his own ego I have always felt this way. I don't even think he went into this intending on being the nominee, but it looks like we probably have him and will have get behind him or live with Clinton for God only knows how long.

I will say, he is saying what many want to hear, but what he is saying and reality are 2 totally different things.

Why I don't like him: he is classless and brash; anyone who would make comments about someone's looks or disabilities is a jerk in my book.

He is a liar, just like Clinton and can't be trusted.

His ideas are 99% unrealistic.

He doesn't understand politics and no, Trump supporters this is not good.

He does not reflect the true beliefs of most Republicans, certainly most conservatives. A huge amount of his support came from cross over voters and people who never bothered to vote in the past.

He supported and donated too much money to the Democrats for too many years. I have no problems with people who, for whatever reason decide to change parties because their opinions and values change, this is not how I see him.

I guess it is pretty clear how I feel. I will add, I do know conservatives that are supporting him, some strongly and they are intelligent individuals. I do not think people who support him are all idiots, or uninformed. I also do not think, just because someone disagrees, makes them deranged, disillusioned or less well informed and I am not sure why some people who post here, think that school yard name calling is necessary. Have you taken lessons from the new God as you see him?
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Old 06-15-2016, 08:57 AM
 
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As a Trump supporter, I really do wish he would rein in some of his rhetoric. Instead of phrasing it as "building a wall", hammering the message of "securing the border" would resonate much better, without alienating/polarizing so many. Instead of "banning" muslims I'd rather his message be about vetting, much more palatable. We've never been a country that just bans segments of people. But my gosh securing our country has to be done, who can deny this? And, I really wish he would add overstayed visas into his message also, what a nightmare that situation is.

I really agree mostly with his message/ideas, just his delivery method puts off way too many voters...voters that he needs.

TB
Chinese Exclusion Act. We have banned certain people from entering the US, the Chinese Exclusion Act being the most famous. Up until the 1950s, we also highly restricted the entry of non-whites into the US. But outright ban probably hasn't been done since the 1800s
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Old 06-15-2016, 09:15 AM
 
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Because he lies blatantly to the voters.

Because he refuses to be transparent with his finances like every other candidate for the last 40 years.

Because he has donated substantially to the campaigns of democrats and to establishment GOP members to help them keep their seats against more conservative opponents.

Because he supports big government and has no intention of repealing Obamacare or reducing the size and reach of government.

Because he has no understanding of how a Republican form of government operates.

Because he has no understanding of Foreign Policy and the current state of the world.

Because he is a hypocrite, claiming he will bring jobs back to America, all while sending jobs to China and Mexico and using illegals or foreign workers to staff his US based hotels.

Because he is a bully and a loudmouth with thin skin and has stated that he will change free speech laws so he can sue the press.

Because he used underhanded tactics and smear campaigning against his opponents in the primary because he is incapable of competing based on the issues and debating them.

Because he is a liberal democrat and acts and talks exactly like Obama.

Because he is a birther and a truther and surrounds himself with unsavory and shady individuals.

For starters.
For starters, nice list! But I really must say that one item I have bolded tends to suggest you've got at least one screw loose...

I've heard lots of crazy notions expressed in these threads, but this is the first time I've seen it suggested that Trump "acts and talks exactly like Obama." A more ridiculous statement can hardly be made! Might also add that Obama, now Hillary and the Democrats may be America's only "firewall" that can prevent Trump for POTUS.
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Old 06-15-2016, 09:23 AM
 
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I am a conservative on most issues and I totally do not think he cares about anything but his own ego I have always felt this way. I don't even think he went into this intending on being the nominee, but it looks like we probably have him and will have get behind him or live with Clinton for God only knows how long.

I will say, he is saying what many want to hear, but what he is saying and reality are 2 totally different things.

Why I don't like him: he is classless and brash; anyone who would make comments about someone's looks or disabilities is a jerk in my book.

He is a liar, just like Clinton and can't be trusted.

His ideas are 99% unrealistic.

He doesn't understand politics and no, Trump supporters this is not good.

He does not reflect the true beliefs of most Republicans, certainly most conservatives. A huge amount of his support came from cross over voters and people who never bothered to vote in the past.

He supported and donated too much money to the Democrats for too many years. I have no problems with people who, for whatever reason decide to change parties because their opinions and values change, this is not how I see him.

I guess it is pretty clear how I feel. I will add, I do know conservatives that are supporting him, some strongly and they are intelligent individuals. I do not think people who support him are all idiots, or uninformed. I also do not think, just because someone disagrees, makes them deranged, disillusioned or less well informed and I am not sure why some people who post here, think that school yard name calling is necessary. Have you taken lessons from the new God as you see him?
A very good, concise list of exactly why Donald Trump is wholly unfit to be the president. He can't be trusted, his ideas are 99% unrealistic, he doesn't understand politics, he's classless and brash and routinely ridicules people for their looks or disabilities.

And yet, you are still going to vote for him.

And that boggles the mind.

I can excuse the true believers, but it's voters like this who could put this country under the rule of a maniac, purely out of party loyalty,
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Old 06-15-2016, 09:24 AM
 
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As a Trump supporter, I really do wish he would rein in some of his rhetoric. Instead of phrasing it as "building a wall", hammering the message of "securing the border" would resonate much better, without alienating/polarizing so many. Instead of "banning" muslims I'd rather his message be about vetting, much more palatable. We've never been a country that just bans segments of people. But my gosh securing our country has to be done, who can deny this? And, I really wish he would add overstayed visas into his message also, what a nightmare that situation is.

I really agree mostly with his message/ideas, just his delivery method puts off way too many voters...voters that he needs.

TB
Again, what is the message? To dismiss Trump's ineptness by simply pointing to his inappropriate rhetoric is something like dismissing the venomous Coral Snake because it's more colorful than other snakes.
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Old 06-15-2016, 09:25 AM
 
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Chinese Exclusion Act. We have banned certain people from entering the US, the Chinese Exclusion Act being the most famous. Up until the 1950s, we also highly restricted the entry of non-whites into the US. But outright ban probably hasn't been done since the 1800s
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: There is no magic to the phrase radical Islam. It is a political talking point. It is not a strategy.

And the reason I am careful about how I describe this threat has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with actually defeating extremism.

Groups like ISIL and al-Qaida want to make this war a war between Islam and America, or between Islam and the West. If we fall into the trap of painting all Muslims as a broad brush, and imply that we are at war with the entire religion, then we are doing the terrorists’ work for them.

But we are now seeing how dangerous this kind of mind-set and this kind of thinking can be. We are starting to see where this kind of rhetoric and loose talk and sloppiness about who exactly we are fighting, where this can lead us.

We now have proposals from the presumptive Republican nominee for president of the United States to bar all Muslims from emigrating into America. We hear language that singles out immigrants and suggests entire religious communities are complacent in violence.

Where does this stop? The Orlando killer, one of the San Bernardino killers, the Fort Hood killer, they were all U.S. citizens. Are we going to start treating all Muslim-Americans differently? Are we going to start subjecting them to special surveillance? Are we going to start discriminating against them because of their faith?

We have heard these suggestions during the course of this campaign. Do Republican officials actually agree with this?

We have gone through moments in our history before when we acted out of fear, and we came to regret it. We have seen our government mistreat our fellow citizens, and it has been a shameful part of our history.

This is a country founded on basic freedoms, including freedom of religion. We don’t have religious tests here. Our founders, our Constitution, our Bill of Rights are clear about that.

And if we ever abandon those values, we wouldn’t only make it a lot easier to radicalize people here and around the world, but we would have betrayed the very things we are trying to protect, the pluralism and the openness, our rule of law, our civil liberties, the very things that make this country great, the very things that make us exceptional.

And then the terrorists would have won. And we cannot let that happen. I will not let that happen.
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Old 06-15-2016, 09:31 AM
 
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As a Trump supporter, I really do wish he would rein in some of his rhetoric. Instead of phrasing it as "building a wall", hammering the message of "securing the border" would resonate much better, without alienating/polarizing so many. Instead of "banning" muslims I'd rather his message be about vetting, much more palatable. We've never been a country that just bans segments of people. But my gosh securing our country has to be done, who can deny this? And, I really wish he would add overstayed visas into his message also, what a nightmare that situation is.

I really agree mostly with his message/ideas, just his delivery method puts off way too many voters...voters that he needs.

TB
I agree, but "securing the border" and "vetting immigrants from the Middle East" would simply be lost on most of his supporters because the statements sound just like the run-of-the-mill Republican rhetoric for the last 30 years.

How he delivers the message is a half of the appeal. I really believe that -- most people cannot pull it off.

Mick
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:58 AM
 
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I agree, but "securing the border" and "vetting immigrants from the Middle East" would simply be lost on most of his supporters because the statements sound just like the run-of-the-mill Republican rhetoric for the last 30 years.

How he delivers the message is a half of the appeal. I really believe that -- most people cannot pull it off.

Mick
"Appeal?" Like the appeal of watching the Jerry Springer show maybe...
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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A very good, concise list of exactly why Donald Trump is wholly unfit to be the president. He can't be trusted, his ideas are 99% unrealistic, he doesn't understand politics, he's classless and brash and routinely ridicules people for their looks or disabilities.

And yet, you are still going to vote for him.

And that boggles the mind.

I can excuse the true believers, but it's voters like this who could put this country under the rule of a maniac, purely out of party loyalty,
Believe me, I have put a lot of thought into this and yes, it is partly party loyalty but it does go a little deeper. I think Hillary is as shameful as they come. I have been following her, like many have for over 30 years, she has been in hot water more than not. Believe it or not, if Biden was the candidate I would shock everyone especially my conservative grandkids and vote for him. I would have voted for Webb as well. I will add, I understand the Democrats supporting Hillary.
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:57 AM
 
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I agree, but "securing the border" and "vetting immigrants from the Middle East" would simply be lost on most of his supporters because the statements sound just like the run-of-the-mill Republican rhetoric for the last 30 years.

How he delivers the message is a half of the appeal. I really believe that -- most people cannot pull it off.

Mick
Not even close to right. Yes, in the 80s the borders were supposed to be secured, but we all know that is easier said than done. Where are you getting your information about vetting immigrants from the mid east? What Trump proposing is very different than what most Republicans are suggesting. I think you are smart enough to know that.
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