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Old 08-21-2016, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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Originally Posted by JoshGL View Post
What a very weird poll...

First, it was entirely robo-call, entirely landline.

But this really caught my eye...

According to the age distribution, not a single respondent below the age of 30 selected neither Clinton nor Trump, and only 6% of those choosing other than Clinton or Trump were below the age of 30.

First, it strains credibility - to put it mildly - to suggest that either Clinton or Trump, much less both of them combined, are getting 0% from 29 and under. Second, with 21.5% choosing neither Clinton nor Trump, and a sample size of 1000, that's 215 such respondents. With the under 30s coming from only that group, and totaling only 6% of it, that means that only 13 of the 1000 respondents - or 1.3% - were under the age of 30.
Polling & Analysis

Now, while it's true that younger voters don't turn out as much as older age brackets, the under 30 group has a whole lot larger turnout that 1.3%. In fact, in 2012 in Pennsylvania, that age group was 19% of the Presidential vote.
Pennsylvania Presidential Race - 2012 Election Center - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

So basically, this poll completely eliminates under 30s who support Clinton or Trump - a demographic where Clinton is destroying Trump.

New Poll Has Trump at 9 Percent Among Young Voters

 
Old 08-21-2016, 05:34 PM
 
Location: North America
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Good grief, the MOE is 7.1.

Done by a Canadian Oil & Gas company, it's their first poll ever, done using robocalls to landlines..
Well landlines are typically bad enough. However, good pollsters can weight the poll to make up for that. They only weight for gender though. Which pretty much no poll does. They all weight based off the U.S. census file. If the state is good they will weight it further off of the voter file as well.
 
Old 08-21-2016, 05:35 PM
 
Location: North America
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Originally Posted by Unsettomati View Post
What a very weird poll...

First, it was entirely robo-call, entirely landline.

But this really caught my eye...

According to the age distribution, not a single respondent below the age of 30 selected neither Clinton nor Trump, and only 6% of those choosing other than Clinton or Trump were below the age of 30.

First, it strains credibility - to put it mildly - to suggest that either Clinton or Trump, much less both of them combined, are getting 0% from 29 and under. Second, with 21.5% choosing neither Clinton nor Trump, and a sample size of 1000, that's 215 such respondents. With the under 30s coming from only that group, and totaling only 6% of it, that means that only 13 of the 1000 respondents - or 1.3% - were under the age of 30.
Polling & Analysis

Now, while it's true that younger voters don't turn out as much as older age brackets, the under 30 group has a whole lot larger turnout that 1.3%. In fact, in 2012 in Pennsylvania, that age group was 19% of the Presidential vote.
Pennsylvania Presidential Race - 2012 Election Center - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

So basically, this poll completely eliminates under 30s who support Clinton or Trump - a demographic where Clinton is destroying Trump.

New Poll Has Trump at 9 Percent Among Young Voters
That would be likely due to using a landline to poll. People under 30 are more likely to only have a mobile phone.
 
Old 08-21-2016, 06:58 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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2 polls on 8/9 and 1 poll on 8/8 all show Clinton with double digit leads.
Pennsylvania 2016 Presidential Election Polls: Clinton vs. Trump
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Originally Posted by JoshGL View Post
An example why a serious person must look at all the polls because the pollsters use different methodology ... and there will always be an odd poll that is an outlier.

The poll showing Trump leading Clinton is not a polling organization ... it was done by a Canadian company in the oil industry.
 
Old 08-21-2016, 07:37 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Good grief, the MOE is 7.1.

Done by a Canadian Oil & Gas company, it's their first poll ever, done using robocalls to landlines..
Hey, the **********s need to get excited about something. It was a robocall done by a company with 2-10 employees whose "expertise" is in O&G. Credibility? About zero.
 
Old 08-21-2016, 08:33 PM
 
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Hey, the **********s need to get excited about something. It was a robocall done by a company with 2-10 employees whose "expertise" is in O&G. Credibility? About zero.
Your credibility is about zero also since you can't write a complete sentence without calling people you don't agree with childish names.
 
Old 08-22-2016, 01:28 AM
 
Location: Caverns measureless to man...
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Why is a Canadian Oil Company owned by two Pakistani or Indian guys so interested in the American presidential race, and why would they decide to do a poll? This makes no sense.

Sure does give Trump's fan club a reason to go on living, though!

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Old 08-22-2016, 01:52 AM
 
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Another round of 400 polled and Trump is holding steady at 45% vs 43% in the LA Times/USC poll.
 
Old 08-22-2016, 05:58 AM
 
Location: North America
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Why is a Canadian Oil Company owned by two Pakistani or Indian guys so interested in the American presidential race, and why would they decide to do a poll? This makes no sense.

Sure does give Trump's fan club a reason to go on living, though!
You just said it yourself. "Oil company." You get polls like these every election though. "Non partisan" companies trying to try their hand at polling. Some of them are likely just people interested at it, and they don't understand how to properly do it, and others are paid for by super pacs and parties to get favorable results that they can fund raise off of.
 
Old 08-22-2016, 06:00 AM
 
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Another round of 400 polled and Trump is holding steady at 45% vs 43% in the LA Times/USC poll.
He lost 1 point already in this Trump-leaning poll
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