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Old 11-17-2018, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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would you expect anything less from Trump...a life long New York Liberal Democrat
Not even remotely correct. Trump has switched parties several times, with the majority of his time as a registered Republican. And GOPers get all the credit for the current incarnation.

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Old 11-17-2018, 02:10 PM
 
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would you expect anything less from Trump...a life long New York Liberal Democrat
Who is supposedly more right wing than the so called RINOs that MAGA fans hated
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Old 11-19-2018, 02:45 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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No it doesnt.

Democrats won by a larger popular vote margin than Republicans in 2010 and the net difference in seats today with 6 races left to be called is 9.

imagine if the seats were drawn some what more fairly or even close to the 2000 maps. Dems would have been closer to 250 total seats.


Maybe some people are math challenged but the 2010 Republican pickups of 63 Congressional House seats and 9 Senate seats is a bigger wave than the Democrats picking up 38 House seats and losing 3 Senate seats....if you can't see that, not much more can be discussed.
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Old 11-19-2018, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Certainly looks like it in your chart. The worst loss for Republicans since Watergate was with Bush and that was 30. This time the Pubs will lose 38-40. You have to go back to Ford in 1974 to find a Republican president who lost more seats in a midterm.
The fact that they could lose this many seats in a hot economy and the advantage of gerrymandering doesn't bode well for the future. Back in 1974 it was all about Watergate, this vote is large statement against republicans that support Trump and his divisive rhetoric. Looks like it will be 37 seats gained maybe more.
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Old 11-19-2018, 05:49 AM
 
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Maybe some people are math challenged but the 2010 Republican pickups of 63 Congressional House seats and 9 Senate seats is a bigger wave than the Democrats picking up 38 House seats and losing 3 Senate seats....if you can't see that, not much more can be discussed.
There was 10% unemployment, bank foreclosures, increases in food stamps, 2 wars back in 2010. What does a loss like this say about the republican party with less than 4% unemployment, record high consumer confidence and a hot stock market. If the can lose almost 40 seats in this economy what will it look like with a downturn.
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Old 11-19-2018, 06:07 AM
 
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There was 10% unemployment, bank foreclosures, increases in food stamps, 2 wars back in 2010. What does a loss like this say about the republican party with less than 4% unemployment, record high consumer confidence and a hot stock market. If the can lose almost 40 seats in this economy what will it look like with a downturn.
I think it says that the party of the President almost always loses seats and the Republicans definitely did but picking up 2-3 Senate seats was huge and pretty much locks down Trump's judiciary goals moving forward for the next 2 years at least. I also think it says the Democrats were extremely motivated this election cycle, that is undeniable.
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Old 11-19-2018, 08:41 AM
 
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I think it says that the party of the President almost always loses seats and the Republicans definitely did but picking up 2-3 Senate seats was huge and pretty much locks down Trump's judiciary goals moving forward for the next 2 years at least. I also think it says the Democrats were extremely motivated this election cycle, that is undeniable.
Two seats. Not 2-3. And the reason its 2 instead of one is because Rick Scott got 10,000 more votes than Nelson out of 10,000,000 cast.

When the final votes are tallied the dems will have picked up 38-39 seats in the House. Right now, the numbers are saying the dem margin over repubs was 7.5% to 8%. It would have been more except for the gerrymandering in so many states that have been dominated by the GOP.

Its true the party in power almost always loses seats in Congress. However, there were some things this year that should have narrowed those losses. The economy is as good as it has ever been and the public is giving plenty of credit to Trump for that.

It is true that Trump will have much power to remake the judiciary. I will say prayers nightly for the four liberal justices still on the Supreme Court
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Old 11-19-2018, 08:47 AM
 
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Waaaah! Make them quit saying it wasn't a Blue Wave! It WAS a blue wave; why it was the biggest Blue Wave I have ever seen, wasn't it, Mommy?!


Call it whatever you like. GOP holds the White House and Senate and makes the decisions.
What they`re not going to do is build a silly wall to hide behind.
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Old 11-19-2018, 08:52 AM
 
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Maybe some people are math challenged but the 2010 Republican pickups of 63 Congressional House seats and 9 Senate seats is a bigger wave than the Democrats picking up 38 House seats and losing 3 Senate seats....if you can't see that, not much more can be discussed.
Rs only picked up 5 seats in 2010. They only picked up 2 seats this year. I'm assuming emotion got the better of your cognitive abilities as can happen.


This year the most interesting factor was that the 1/3 of the Senate up for election included states which were either trending more R or had been solid R for decades. Dems losing Indiana, Missouri and North Dakota were pretty much simple math exercises. The D flip in Arizona was huge and the R flip in Florida is really the only bright spot for Rs.


In the House Ds were having to gain ground in hugely gerrymandered districts- so coming up with 40 was no easy task. You also have to consider that 06 and 08 were both D waves so the party had truly extended beyond what is natural reach should have been. The biggest takeaway from the last two elections is that the parties are realigning- Rs took working class whites and Ds took educated whites and suburban women.
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Old 11-19-2018, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Pictorial evidence that it was a blue wave. Sure, there have been other waves that have been bigger, but then again, GOP gerrymandering and voter suppression meant that Dems got fewer seats with more votes than the would have gotten in other times.

Yes, Trump still has the Senate but there is still no spinning 2018 as a good year for the GOP. Anyone who does is lying or willfully ignoring reality

https://twitter.com/SpryGuy/status/1063485687062806528
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