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Old 08-04-2022, 12:26 AM
 
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Right. Not to mention the economic impact of an unwanted pregnancy on a woman and/or her family's economic status. Few things are more costly than raising a child to adulthood.
Like bringing massive immigration for cheap labor and fill the jobs that the massive abortions on demand left? How is the experiment working out?
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Old 08-04-2022, 12:32 AM
 
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. It is 3 conservative anti-choice justices away from reversing this decision and returning it to the KS state legislature which currently would more than likely severely restrict or ban abortion rights.

Funny how you label the Pro-Life judges, "Anti-Choice". Let the voters of Kansas decide this. it's their state. Why do people in blue states care so much about the business in other states that they would never move to live there?
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Old 08-04-2022, 05:36 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Sorry to all the libs here but I don't think the Kansas vote is a sign of happy days for the dems in Nov. Single issue voters won't carry the day when there are so many pressing/depressing issues for voters to focus on. It's entirely possible, even probable, that voters can vote to keep abortion viable but still not want to go along with the whole democrat craziness that is being pushed.


Kansas was the perfect example of why the Supreme Court decision was so important. It allows each state to determine for itself how it wants to handle abortion. Maybe we can escape the hysterical cries and threats and violence the left has been pushing over this decision. See, lefties? This is the way it should work. Each state will decide abortion rights.



Personally, I would have no problem at all if every state put abortion on the ballot for the citizens to decide. I would bet the strong majority would allow abortion in many cases. Then, maybe the madness of zealots on both sides would stop and the voters can make their choices on the everyday issues that most affect us all, such as the economy, health care, schools, illegal immigration, etc.
A turnout like this for meaningless primaries in August doesn't send a message that they are at odds with the supreme court ruling. The GOP thought they could sneak this through in a primary rather than putting it on the ballot rather than the general election in November. Why not just put an amendment to change the constitution to ban abortion and be transparent?

The supreme court decision obviously allowed these states to pass even more restrictive laws including going after providers and complete bans even for cases of incest of rape. Roe was already working, many states already had reasonable laws, this just added chaos to the country.

If the GOP controlled states wanted to be honest then every state should just put an abortion amendment on the ballot, but it's going to be a long time before any anti-abortion state tries that again.

A heavy red state like Kansas is a perfect example as to the displeasure with ruling, the amendment percentages are pretty close to national polling on Roe.
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Old 08-04-2022, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Well, this is exactly what the decision in Dobbs was meant to promote. A vote in each individual state on the issue of abortion.

BTW I've never thought the 'issue' of abortion should be part of any political platform. This is a decision to be made between a woman, her doctor and her God.

That said, I do find the idea of very late term abortions a bit abhorrent but many people do. I guess we'll see how this plays out.
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Old 08-04-2022, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Boston
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I'm still not getting this misreading by democrats.

Contrary to popular Fake News, the SCOTUS did NOT ban abortion.

It sent it back to the states.

Kansas just voted to keep the abortion rights in their state's constitution. JUST AS THE SCOTUS DECISION PROVIDES FOR!

If anything, this shows people that abortion IS NOT illegal UNLESS a state's people want it to be. "Republicans" believe in states rights and the will of their people, not in unilateral "rights" made up by 9 justices.

This likely helps the misconception that abortion is now banned in the USA.
so many not so bright people influenced by the left wing media. Not surprised.
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Old 08-04-2022, 06:38 AM
 
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There’s no guarantee that the vote in Kansas says abortion will save Democrats in the fall, but it certainly gives them hope.

The key to the Kansas victory was unprecedented turnout. If the D’s have secret weapon that could save them this fall and tip the scales in their direction in the future, it’s the support for Democrats among younger voters. The problem is that younger voters tend to vote in lower numbers, particularly in off-year elections. Support for legal abortion is highest among the younger generations. If, and it’s certainly a big if, the Supremes overthrow of Roe is the final straw that galvanizes younger voters to political action, the long-term effects could be monumental.

In the latest Pew Survey on abortion, 74% of those ages 18-29 support legalized abortion.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion...ould-be-legal/
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Old 08-04-2022, 06:47 AM
 
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Voting for the R candidate is just tradition in KS, for many people I know. They may agree with democrats on some issues, like keeping public school funding, but at the end of the day, they will cast their ballot with the R.


Having said that, the rich old republican ladies in Mission Hill always said, "no worries - Roe vs Wade will never be overturned." So when Trump got a hold of SCOTUS, and the radical right took over the state legislature, those ladies and all their daughters and girlfriends were like "Hmm - Don't think so." The ballot issue lost even among Rs. This is a bad idea and a dog issue for R's to try to pound down people's throats.
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Old 08-04-2022, 06:53 AM
 
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OP, what you are missing is that things aren't as simple minded as red vs. blue.

The state had a democratic governor that served in Obama admin.

On a lone issue like this you're seeing a lot of Repub voters that aren't socially far-right and view this as a liberty issue.

I know, I know, mind blowing to be an issues voter or even conceive of the concept.
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Old 08-04-2022, 07:00 AM
 
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There’s no guarantee that the vote in Kansas says abortion will save Democrats in the fall, but it certainly gives them hope.

The key to the Kansas victory was unprecedented turnout. If the D’s have secret weapon that could save them this fall and tip the scales in their direction in the future, it’s the support for Democrats among younger voters. The problem is that younger voters tend to vote in lower numbers, particularly in off-year elections. Support for legal abortion is highest among the younger generations. If, and it’s certainly a big if, the Supremes overthrow of Roe is the final straw that galvanizes younger voters to political action, the long-term effects could be monumental.

In the latest Pew Survey on abortion, 74% of those ages 18-29 support legalized abortion.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion...ould-be-legal/
It's possible but on the other hand:

1) this was a single item vote.
2) the midterms won't really impact the decision on state rights. There isn't some candidate up that change that.

IMO it will have a small impact but at the same time inflation, gas prices etc. are a much bigger hit on day to day life and the polls for Biden are dismal. If we see those polls rebound a bit I think there is more reason to suspect less of a mauling.

But hey, by all means everyone get out and vote.
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Old 08-04-2022, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Abortion is not the only issue and it is not even the most important issue for voters to be decided in the coming elections. But consider this. Do you think G. Bush would have won without it? Or even Trump? I can't begin to count the number of people I have run into who say they held their noses and voted for Republican presidential candidates because they believed those candidates would appoint pro-life judges who would end abortion rights in the US. Many catholics took it as a moral imperative. Extrapolate that to millions of voters who made their decision solely because a candidate was staunchly pro-life and would help overturn Roe. The Republicans can no longer wield that weapon. Without it, will some pro-life voters simply stay away or switch to Dems with whom, other than abortion, they share more values?
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