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Old 08-05-2022, 06:34 PM
 
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What happened in ruby red Kansas on Tuesday has Republicans shaking in their boots for what is to come in November.

Voters in the middle and many who were previously disengaged are waking up to the reality that the GOP is not, and has never been, the party of small government.

It's all fun and games until conservatives start stripping away your constitutionally protected rights. I'm not sure if they realize yet what a hornet's nest that they poked.
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Old 08-06-2022, 07:35 AM
 
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I thought this factoid has some significance.

Kansas voters voted to keep abortion rights protected by a vote of 59-41.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...amendment.html

The latest Pew Research national survey found that abortion remaining legal in all or most cases was preferred by 61-37.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-most-cases-2/

For polling, that’s about as accurate as you can get. Just a 2% variance between the national average and ruby-red Kansas.

Roughly 60% of the public support legalized abortion, while 40% oppose.

Some of the internals within that Pew Poll that was released after Roe was overturned.

Overall disapproval of the Supreme Court ruling: 57-41
Disapproval in states where abortion was newly prohibited: 52-46
Disapproval in states where abortion was newly restricted: 52-47
Disapproval in states where abortion is currently legal, but threatened: 53-45
Disapproval in states with strong state abortion protections: 65-34

Disapproval Among men: 52-47
Disapproval among women: 62-36

Disapproval among whites: 55-44
Among blacks: 67-30
Hispanics:57-42
Asians: 72-27

Postgrads: 67-32
College Grads: 60-39
Some college: 60-39
High school or less: 50-48

Ages 18-29: 70-28
30-49: 64-35
50-64: 58-40
65+: 56-41

The only groups that were in favor of the Roe overturn were:

Republicans/Leaners : 70-29
Protestants: 50-48
White Evangelicals: 73-26

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Old 08-06-2022, 07:53 AM
 
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Sorry to all the libs here but I don't think the Kansas vote is a sign of happy days for the dems in Nov. Single issue voters won't carry the day when there are so many pressing/depressing issues for voters to focus on. It's entirely possible, even probable, that voters can vote to keep abortion viable but still not want to go along with the whole democrat craziness that is being pushed.


Kansas was the perfect example of why the Supreme Court decision was so important. It allows each state to determine for itself how it wants to handle abortion. Maybe we can escape the hysterical cries and threats and violence the left has been pushing over this decision. See, lefties? This is the way it should work. Each state will decide abortion rights.



Personally, I would have no problem at all if every state put abortion on the ballot for the citizens to decide. I would bet the strong majority would allow abortion in many cases. Then, maybe the madness of zealots on both sides would stop and the voters can make their choices on the everyday issues that most affect us all, such as the economy, health care, schools, illegal immigration, etc.
Trump said we would all get healthcare at a tiny fraction of the cost of Obamacare. What happened to that?
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Old 08-06-2022, 08:09 AM
 
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Part of the problem is that so many far-right Republicans seem to want to double down on outlawing abortion by introducing measures to ban contraception, prevent women from crossing state lines, demanding that even 10 year girls pregnant due to rape carry the baby, denying abortion to save the woman's life, and even saying that a pregnant woman cannot divorce during said pregnancy. Oh, and death penalty for women and doctors that engage in the medical procedure.

In Kansas, the pro-abortion group did very effective messaging. The ads did not mention abortion, but spoke of things like "should Big Government be involved in your health care". Well, conservatives have a long history of being against government being involved in health care, so the message struck gold.

Perhaps the vote "No" would have been larger, if not for that Kansas Republican group that sent out false messages, stating that if you wanted the abortion law to remain the same, to vote 'Yes'. I can certainly see where voters would become confused. Of course, it is a two-edged sword, since voters whom wanted the legislature to be empowered to further restrict abortion rights, and seeing those texts, would have voted "No".

Not only was the proposal written in a confusing way, but the Republicans put the measure up for a vote, August 2nd, when they hoped that turnout would be down. It did not work.
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Old 08-06-2022, 11:15 AM
 
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I thought this factoid has some significance.

Kansas voters voted to keep abortion rights protected by a vote of 59-41.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...amendment.html

The latest Pew Research national survey found that abortion remaining legal in all or most cases was preferred by 61-37.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-most-cases-2/

For polling, that’s about as accurate as you can get. Just a 2% variance between the national average and ruby-red Kansas.

Roughly 60% of the public support legalized abortion, while 40% oppose.

Some of the internals within that Pew Poll that was released after Roe was overturned.

Overall disapproval of the Supreme Court ruling: 57-41
Disapproval in states where abortion was newly prohibited: 52-46
Disapproval in states where abortion was newly restricted: 52-47
Disapproval in states where abortion is currently legal, but threatened: 53-45
Disapproval in states with strong state abortion protections: 65-34

Disapproval Among men: 52-47
Disapproval among women: 62-36

Disapproval among whites: 55-44
Among blacks: 67-30
Hispanics:57-42
Asians: 72-27

Postgrads: 67-32
College Grads: 60-39
Some college: 60-39
High school or less: 50-48

Ages 18-29: 70-28
30-49: 64-35
50-64: 58-40
65+: 56-41

The only groups that were in favor of the Roe overturn were:

Republicans/Leaners : 70-29
Protestants: 50-48
White Evangelicals: 73-26
Yes this is the same point I was making with similar data, in the original post.

Not sure I understand some of these poll results. For example:

Postgrads: 67-32
College Grads: 60-39
Some college: 60-39
High school or less: 50-48

Is the first leftmost number the percent disapproving of the SCOTUS ruling, and the second number approval?

Then in the last section it's reversed, right? First leftmost number is approval of the ruling, second number is disapproval?

Republicans/Leaners : 70-29
Protestants: 50-48
White Evangelicals: 73-26
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Old 08-06-2022, 11:55 AM
 
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Yes this is the same point I was making with similar data, in the original post.

Not sure I understand some of these poll results. For example:

Postgrads: 67-32
College Grads: 60-39
Some college: 60-39
High school or less: 50-48

Is the first leftmost number the percent disapproving of the SCOTUS ruling, and the second number approval?

Then in the last section it's reversed, right? First leftmost number is approval of the ruling, second number is disapproval?

Republicans/Leaners : 70-29
Protestants: 50-48
White Evangelicals: 73-26
Correct

One of the thing that I found interesting in the poll is that there was disapproval of overturning Roe even in red states.

Also, look at the age breakdown: opposition to the overturn is 64% among voters 30-49 and 70% among 18-29.

And 62% among women.

The numbers show why Republican state legislatures wouldn’t dare bringing the matter to a statewide vote if they can avoid it.

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Old 08-06-2022, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Correct

One of the thing that I found interesting in the poll is that there was disapproval of overturning Roe even in red states.

Also, look at the age breakdown: opposition to the overturn is 64% among voters 30-49 and 70% among 18-29.

And 62% among women.

The numbers show why Republican state legislatures wouldn’t dare bringing the matter to a statewide vote if they can avoid it.
Does it show Youth turnout compared to other elections?
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Old 08-07-2022, 02:24 PM
 
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I applaud Kansas VOTERS! Religious beliefs didn't trump what's RIGHT!
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Old 08-07-2022, 07:44 PM
 
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What happened in ruby red Kansas on Tuesday has Republicans shaking in their boots for what is to come in November.

Voters in the middle and many who were previously disengaged are waking up to the reality that the GOP is not, and has never been, the party of small government.

It's all fun and games until conservatives start stripping away your constitutionally protected rights. I'm not sure if they realize yet what a hornet's nest that they poked.
Ha ha. All of that is ridiculous.

Kansas wasn't a surprise to anyone except paranoid Leftists.

Enforcing the border and protecting citizens from one another are the only legitimate functions of government. Republicans aren't advocating anything beyond that, so the "limited government" thing is another absurd lie/misunderstanding.

Finally, the Republicans are the ones standing up for Constitutional rights (like the right to self-defense). It's ignorant to imagine that abortion was ever a Constitutional right.
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Old 08-07-2022, 07:48 PM
 
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I thought this factoid has some significance.

Kansas voters voted to keep abortion rights protected by a vote of 59-41.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...amendment.html

The latest Pew Research national survey found that abortion remaining legal in all or most cases was preferred by 61-37.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-most-cases-2/

For polling, that’s about as accurate as you can get. Just a 2% variance between the national average and ruby-red Kansas.

Roughly 60% of the public support legalized abortion, while 40% oppose.

Some of the internals within that Pew Poll that was released after Roe was overturned.

Overall disapproval of the Supreme Court ruling: 57-41
Disapproval in states where abortion was newly prohibited: 52-46
Disapproval in states where abortion was newly restricted: 52-47
Disapproval in states where abortion is currently legal, but threatened: 53-45
Disapproval in states with strong state abortion protections: 65-34

Disapproval Among men: 52-47
Disapproval among women: 62-36

Disapproval among whites: 55-44
Among blacks: 67-30
Hispanics:57-42
Asians: 72-27

Postgrads: 67-32
College Grads: 60-39
Some college: 60-39
High school or less: 50-48

Ages 18-29: 70-28
30-49: 64-35
50-64: 58-40
65+: 56-41

The only groups that were in favor of the Roe overturn were:

Republicans/Leaners : 70-29
Protestants: 50-48
White Evangelicals: 73-26
Such amazing ignorance imparted by the Left-wing media. Any educated person who read Roe knew it was an abomination. That includes people like Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Laurence Tribe.
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