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SvenM didnt invite them for sure, I highly doubt he was even alive when all this Gastarbeiter stuff began...
This is the difference of mentality between Germans and Turks easily exposed in the way you responded him. You see people as collective, in the way modern Germans are responsible of what germans might have done in the past, and even if he was living in such time with the chance to have some implication in such desicion, it wouldnt be his "fault".
To be honest I tend to see people as a collective too, in real life I get along with Turks quite well actually, I don't want them to take over my country though. The Turks wouldn't be that much a problem if they hadn't radicalized over the past years, the first generation of Turks was better integrated than their grandchildren. Germany hasn't ill-treated Turkey or Turks in the past, quite the contrary.
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Is there such a Middle European look? and if there was a MIddle European phenotypical variation, it wouldnt only include very south parts of Bavaria, BW ,etc. Most Germany is a cross road between Middle Europe (Austria, German Speaking Switzerland) and Northern Europe (Denmark, Netherlands, Southern Sweden/Southern Norway) in terms of phenotype. Lets say the Northern Third of GErmany is anyways more similar to Denmark, NL and Southern Sweden than Anything, obviously the people still have something that makes them identificable as Germans, While the extreme south (and even there it is arguable) are more like central Europe, which in my opinion is more typical to Austria, German speaking-Switzerland and to some etent, Hungary and Slovenia. At least in my experience 1/3 of Germany is more like Northern Europe, 1/2 is a crossroad of N and C Europe (in some areas with small western slavic elements), and 1/6 perhaps lean more to "true"central european.
For Example the Northern French men being at the same latitude of SW Germans tend to look more latin/romance influenced, it is evident when you cross the border.
I live in the Southwest, there are Ethnic Germans that could pass well as Italians or wouldn't stick out on the Balkans, however there are people in Italy or the Balkans that look nordic too. So you have an intersection of people from various countries that would blend in in most European countries, this applies to a minority of Turks as well.
But again, the lookings of people isn't the problem.
Another terrorists attack in Paris.
Diversity is so much a strengh...
Which has nothing to do with diversity. It has to do with a combination of religion and politics from some Muslims. A nasty combination of Islam and socialism/communism/third word liberation.
Which has nothing to do with diversity. It has to do with a combination of religion and politics from some Muslims. A nasty combination of Islam and socialism/communism/third word liberation.
It has all to do with diversity.
How many attack like that in Poland or other eastern european country who refuse immigration and stay white?
Zero.
It has all to do with diversity.
How many attack like that in Poland or other eastern european country who refuse immigration and stay white?
Zero.
Without immigrants we wouldn't have that problem.
Poland and Eastern Europe countries are broke, destitute countries that depend on Western Europe for money. The Western European countries with money depend in part on tourism and on immigration from ALL around the world to make their economies work. I know that kills some Europeans who never left pre middle ages tribalism, but every well developed region in the Western world are regions full off people from all over the world.
And as for terrorism, WW2 and it's genocide of Jews, it's mass slaughter of Poles (3 million dead), killed more people than terrorism was ever capable of. Germany at that point did not have immigrants.
Of course, WW2 wasn't the first time Germans killed lots of poles either. Let's not even talk about the horrible Spanish Inquisition, that brutally forced Jews and Muslims to become Catholic, expelled them, or killed them.
The US had to occupy and rebuild Europe Post WW2, while the Soviet Union occupied Eastern Europe. Communism completely slowed down the economies of Eastern Europe as communism is a failed doctrine, and that collapse of ideology lead to the fall of the Eastern bloc. But Eastern Europe these days has no major corporations on the global scene, no major scientific breakthrough, no major anything except for hateful, irrational people such as yourself.
Poland and Eastern Europe countries are broke, destitute countries that depend on Western Europe for money. The Western European countries with money depend in part on tourism and on immigration from ALL around the world to make their economies work. I know that kills some Europeans who never left pre middle ages tribalism, but every well developed region in the Western world are regions full off people from all over the world.
And as for terrorism, WW2 and it's genocide of Jews, it's mass slaughter of Poles (3 million dead), killed more people than terrorism was ever capable of. Germany at that point did not have immigrants.
Of course, WW2 wasn't the first time Germans killed lots of poles either. Let's not even talk about the horrible Spanish Inquisition, that brutally forced Jews and Muslims to become Catholic, expelled them, or killed them.
The US had to occupy and rebuild Europe Post WW2, while the Soviet Union occupied Eastern Europe. Communism completely slowed down the economies of Eastern Europe as communism is a failed doctrine, and that collapse of ideology lead to the fall of the Eastern bloc. But Eastern Europe these days has no major corporations on the global scene, no major scientific breakthrough, no major anything except for hateful, irrational people such as yourself.
Poland and Eastern Europe countries are broke, destitute countries that depend on Western Europe for money. The Western European countries with money depend in part on tourism and on immigration from ALL around the world to make their economies work. I know that kills some Europeans who never left pre middle ages tribalism, but every well developed region in the Western world are regions full off people from all over the world.
And as for terrorism, WW2 and it's genocide of Jews, it's mass slaughter of Poles (3 million dead), killed more people than terrorism was ever capable of. Germany at that point did not have immigrants.
Of course, WW2 wasn't the first time Germans killed lots of poles either. Let's not even talk about the horrible Spanish Inquisition, that brutally forced Jews and Muslims to become Catholic, expelled them, or killed them.
The US had to occupy and rebuild Europe Post WW2, while the Soviet Union occupied Eastern Europe. Communism completely slowed down the economies of Eastern Europe as communism is a failed doctrine, and that collapse of ideology lead to the fall of the Eastern bloc. But Eastern Europe these days has no major corporations on the global scene, no major scientific breakthrough, no major anything except for hateful, irrational people such as yourself.
Third world immigration is nothing but a burden to any European country, no country is in need of uneducated illiterates from sh*thole countries, these people never would be allowed to enter the US, Canada or Australia. That might be the reason why you have a different perception of immigration, in the US you do cherry picking, you sort the illiterates out, we take the illiterates and deport the decent people.
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What the link?
Diversity cause violence, just a fact.
As seen in former Yugoslavia and in American crime rates, all over the American continent.
Poverty, lack of useful education and lack of future lead to the dark side of violence.
Violence leads to hate, hate leads to extremism. Extremism is a path to terrorism.
Bricks that lead to violence are mainly found in poor districts where immigrants are (they didn't leave their country with a million euro usually, and no education for the job market)
#Yoda
Now you can throw them back where their origins are, with a giant catapult. They are French most of the time so maybe we should throw them in the space.
In fact, lots of Eastern Europeans move to Western Europe, to America, and to Canada. These people are living severely economically underdeveloped Eastern Europe to move to the more developed Western countries.
Third world immigration is nothing but a burden to any European country, no country is in need of uneducated illiterates from sh*thole countries, these people never would be allowed to enter the US, Canada or Australia. That might be the reason why you have a different perception of immigration, in the US you do cherry picking, you sort the illiterates out, we take the illiterates and deport the decent people.
As seen in former Yugoslavia and in American crime rates, all over the American continent.
No, these people are not picked out of the US. We have lots of "third world" people working in the American agricultural sector, and working in construction, restaurant workers, cleaners and other services.
The same is true in Europe. I live in Barcelona where all the 99 cent stores are owned by Chinese. Pakistanis own the delis, and many of the restaurant workers are either Chinese or Pakistani. You have many Latin American workers in the stores across Barcelona, and in the touristy areas there are many African merchants. Pakistani merchants as well. And of course these people all work in construction. Tourism fuels the economy in Barcelona and Spain and the construction work that happens due to tourism and real estate investment employs many immigrants.
Of course Spain gets lots of foreign direct investment and anyone with enough money to buy a house or make any major investment will be put on a path to Spanish citizenship.
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