The future of Ukraine (crime, life, 2015, country)

[Alec Solano]

Originally Posted by citoyen

On youtube, you can find many video of young army camp in russia.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...p+for+children

I don't speak russian, but I assume in russian you can find some more violent and deep **** on the subject.

Terroristic train camps for children in "DPR"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vJPL6PYDTM

[erasure]

Originally Posted by citoyen

On youtube, you can find many video of young army camp in russia.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...p+for+children

I don't speak russian, but I assume in russian you can find some more violent and deep **** on the subject.

Of course there is plenty of material in Russian, so don't listen to ignorant idiots
like this, that put Russian military camps for children in the same sentence as some "children fighting in Somalia."
These *geniuses* of so-called "journalism" will come up with all kind of crap.

So let's look for a change what these Russian military camps for children are REALLY all about.
They are created primarily for BOYS for a couple of reasons, as you'll see here;
Reason number one, is that some boys want to follow in their parents steps and to choose military ( or police) career. Some parents send their boys there in order to "toughen them up" and to be "real men."
As I've said Russian society is not "politically-correct," and while America's "Left" is increasing trying to abandon Christianity because of controversial issues, Russians are getting along with their Orthodoxy, underlying the proper gender roles as you can see here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZFGCXdjxxU&t=269s

or here in a story made by the News channel ( at 2.51 one of the instructors is openly talking about his intolerance to "all these bearded women," and his desire to "help to raise boys the proper way."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amkYDvUtKWg

( in that segment they were simulating the situation of the "captured commander," that was supposed to be freed.)

These camps are not always dismissive of girls - some of them involve bigger variety of activities, so girls are welcome to join, but since the church is yet again involved in organization of these camps, I'm sure the religious indoctrination of "gender roles" is still in place.

If church is NOT involved, then the camps are more reminiscent of good old "Soviet pioneer camps" which were a common sight during Soviet times.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q5iKfCBPCA

Now why did all these camps come in place to begin with? I would guess that Putin's government figured out that it couldn't NOT to fill the void left by the Soviet system, and took an opportunity to raise "loyal" to the new capitalist system generation. However such camps ( even when run and overseeing by military professionals) got nothing to do with the craziness of their Ukrainian counterparts, run by the half-wits Nationalist thugs, that provide children with weapons, indoctrinating them "to kill the Moscovites" and stoking hatred and fear in them. That's basically what the Ukrainian "children military camps" are all about, and that's what they are created primarily for. And THAT is as close to "Somali children" as it gets.

[Scrat335]

Originally Posted by DKM

Just cruising through to check on the daily Russians bashing on Ukraine in here. You guys ever realize that nobody really cares what you think? Ukraine is joining Europe and its pretty obvious to them that Russia is a brother no longer.

According to whom? The western propaganda machine? I wonder what the people of Ukraine think, We'll probably never know for sure.

You just keep cruising. Not that you ever had anything to add to begin with.

[Scrat335]

The same few people keep posting in this thread and as always its the same conclusion that is being drawn over and over.

What other conclusion am I supposed to arrive at? I know what happened in Kiev. I watched it unfold day by day, the bussed in thugs and crazies, the western politicians passing out the cookies and free food. I also know that what happened there would have never happened in America, blood would have flowed down the gutters. Ukraine is being turned into a cash cow for corporations the world over and the people of Ukraine get NOTHING.

How can you justify the assault on the Donbas? I thought governments were supposed to govern for the good of their people, to enable their prosperity. Not kill them and take everything they have,

What your solution to all this mess?

[Milky Way Resident]

Originally Posted by Scrat335

What other conclusion am I supposed to arrive at? I know what happened in Kiev. I watched it unfold day by day, the bussed in thugs and crazies, the western politicians passing out the cookies and free food. I also know that what happened there would have never happened in America, blood would have flowed down the gutters. Ukraine is being turned into a cash cow for corporations the world over and the people of Ukraine get NOTHING.

How can you justify the assault on the Donbas? I thought governments were supposed to govern for the good of their people, to enable their prosperity. Not kill them and take everything they have,

What your solution to all this mess?

I'm not sure what you are trying to get at here. I don't believe either side entirely. Humans as a species are pretty vile creatures that have constantly been at odds with one another. I believe that both Russia and the West as well as any nationalistic groups are at fault in the Ukraine. On this front, I defer from you and Ichoro, but also from people like Alec.

My main criticism was at the fact that Russia became even bigger despite being the largest country in the world. Now, one of the justifications is that Ukraine is its ancestral land, but then if that were the case why is there such outrage when Israel tries to claim its ancestral land. After all, one country is barely 20 000 sq km, while the other is over 17 million with plenty of unused land.

As to your last point, I don't have a solution. Things are much more complicated then they seem.

[Turist]

Originally Posted by Milky Way Resident

I'm not sure what you are trying to get at here. I don't believe either side entirely. Humans as a species are pretty vile creatures that have constantly been at odds with one another. I believe that both Russia and the West as well as any nationalistic groups are at fault in the Ukraine. On this front, I defer from you and Ichoro, but also from people like Alec.

My main criticism was at the fact that Russia became even bigger despite being the largest country in the world. Now, one of the justifications is that Ukraine is its ancestral land, but then if that were the case why is there such outrage when Israel tries to claim its ancestral land. After all, one country is barely 20 000 sq km, while the other is over 17 million with plenty of unused land.

As to your last point, I don't have a solution. Things are much more complicated then they seem.

Funny logic)
America, for example, is the richest country in the world and wants even more. I want to hear your criticism)))

[Milky Way Resident]

Originally Posted by Turist

Funny logic)
America, for example, is the richest country in the world and wants even more. I want to hear your criticism)))

More of what? If you are talking about business, then yes they do want their companies to expand globally as does pretty much every country that is in a position to do so. As for territorial gains, there hasn't really been one in a long time.

[Turist]

Originally Posted by Milky Way Resident

More of what? If you are talking about business, then yes they do want their companies to expand globally as does pretty much every country that is in a position to do so. As for territorial gains, there hasn't really been one in a long time.

Are you talking about these countries?


1914-1918 - a series of incursions into Mexico.
1914-1934 - Haiti. After numerous uprisings, America introduces its troops, the occupation continues for 19 years.
1916-1924 - 8-year occupation of the Dominican Republic.
1917-1933 - the military occupation of Cuba, an economic protectorate.
1917-1918 - participation in the 1st World War.
1918-1922 - intervention in Russia. In total, 14 states participated in it.
Active support was provided for the territories that separated Russia from Kolchakia and the Far Eastern Republic.
1918-1920 - Panama. After the elections, troops are introduced to quell the riots.
1919 - COSTA RICA. ... The landing of US troops to "protect American interests."
1919 - American troops are fighting on the side of Italy against the Serbs in Dolmatia.
1919 - US troops enter Honduras during the elections.
1920 - Guatemala. 2-week intervention.
1921 - American support for militants who fought for the overthrow of the President of Guatemala Carlos Herrera for the benefit of the United Fruit Company.
1922 - intervention in Turkey.
1922-1927 - American troops in China during the popular uprising.
1924-1925 - Honduras. The troops invade the country during the elections.
1925 - Panama. American troops disperse the general strike.
1926 - Nicaragua. Invasion.
1927-1934 - American troops are stationed throughout China.
1932 - invasion of El Salvador from the sea. There at that time there was an uprising.
1937 - Nicaragua. With the help of US troops, dictator Somoza comes to power, displacing the legitimate government of H. Sakasa.
1939 - the introduction of troops in China.
1947-1949 - Greece. American troops participate in the civil war, supporting the fascists.
1948-1953 - military operations in the Philippines.
1950 - The uprising in Puerto Rico was crushed by American troops.
1950-1953 - armed intervention in Korea about a million American soldiers.
1958 - Lebanon. The occupation of the country, the fight against the insurgents.
1958 - confrontation with Panama.
1959 - America introduces troops to Laos, the first encounters of American troops begin in Vietnam.
1959 - Haiti. The suppression of the popular uprising against the pro-American government.
1960 - after Jose Maria Velasco was elected president of Ecuador and refused to obey the US demands to break off relations with Cuba, the Americans conducted several military operations and organize a coup.
1960 - US troops enter Guatemala to prevent the removal from power of the puppet of the United States.
1965-1973 - military aggression against Vietnam.
1966 - Guatemala. ... The US troops entered the country, there were organized mass killings of Indians, who were considered potential rebels.
1966 - military assistance to the pro-American governments of Indonesia and the Philippines. ... (60,000 people were arrested for political reasons, 88 specialists were officially working under the government for torture).
1971-1973 - the bombing of Laos.
1972 - Nicaragua. US troops are being introduced to support a government that is beneficial to Washington.
1983 - military intervention in Grenada about 2 thousand marines.
1986 - an attack on Libya. The bombing of Tripoli and Benghazi.
1988 - US invasion of Honduras
1988 - US warship Vincennes, located in the Persian Gulf, shot down an Iranian plane carrying 290 passengers aboard, including 57 children.
1989 - US troops suppress riots on the Virgin Islands.
1991 - large-scale military action against Iraq
1992-1994 - the occupation of Somalia. Armed violence against civilians, killings of civilians.
1998 - Sudan. The Americans are destroying the pharmaceutical plant with a missile attack, claiming that it produces nerve gas.
1999 - ignoring the norms of international law, bypassing the United Nations and the Security Council, the United States forces launched a campaign of 78-day aerial bombardment of the sovereign state of Yugoslavia.
2001 - invasion of Afghanistan.
2003 - the bombing of Iraq.
2011 - Libya.

[Milky Way Resident]

Originally Posted by Turist

Are you talking about these countries?


1914-1918 - a series of incursions into Mexico.
1914-1934 - Haiti. After numerous uprisings, America introduces its troops, the occupation continues for 19 years.
1916-1924 - 8-year occupation of the Dominican Republic.
1917-1933 - the military occupation of Cuba, an economic protectorate.
1917-1918 - participation in the 1st World War.
1918-1922 - intervention in Russia. In total, 14 states participated in it.
Active support was provided for the territories that separated Russia from Kolchakia and the Far Eastern Republic.
1918-1920 - Panama. After the elections, troops are introduced to quell the riots.
1919 - COSTA RICA. ... The landing of US troops to "protect American interests."
1919 - American troops are fighting on the side of Italy against the Serbs in Dolmatia.
1919 - US troops enter Honduras during the elections.
1920 - Guatemala. 2-week intervention.
1921 - American support for militants who fought for the overthrow of the President of Guatemala Carlos Herrera for the benefit of the United Fruit Company.
1922 - intervention in Turkey.
1922-1927 - American troops in China during the popular uprising.
1924-1925 - Honduras. The troops invade the country during the elections.
1925 - Panama. American troops disperse the general strike.
1926 - Nicaragua. Invasion.
1927-1934 - American troops are stationed throughout China.
1932 - invasion of El Salvador from the sea. There at that time there was an uprising.
1937 - Nicaragua. With the help of US troops, dictator Somoza comes to power, displacing the legitimate government of H. Sakasa.
1939 - the introduction of troops in China.
1947-1949 - Greece. American troops participate in the civil war, supporting the fascists.
1948-1953 - military operations in the Philippines.
1950 - The uprising in Puerto Rico was crushed by American troops.
1950-1953 - armed intervention in Korea about a million American soldiers.
1958 - Lebanon. The occupation of the country, the fight against the insurgents.
1958 - confrontation with Panama.
1959 - America introduces troops to Laos, the first encounters of American troops begin in Vietnam.
1959 - Haiti. The suppression of the popular uprising against the pro-American government.
1960 - after Jose Maria Velasco was elected president of Ecuador and refused to obey the US demands to break off relations with Cuba, the Americans conducted several military operations and organize a coup.
1960 - US troops enter Guatemala to prevent the removal from power of the puppet of the United States.
1965-1973 - military aggression against Vietnam.
1966 - Guatemala. ... The US troops entered the country, there were organized mass killings of Indians, who were considered potential rebels.
1966 - military assistance to the pro-American governments of Indonesia and the Philippines. ... (60,000 people were arrested for political reasons, 88 specialists were officially working under the government for torture).
1971-1973 - the bombing of Laos.
1972 - Nicaragua. US troops are being introduced to support a government that is beneficial to Washington.
1983 - military intervention in Grenada about 2 thousand marines.
1986 - an attack on Libya. The bombing of Tripoli and Benghazi.
1988 - US invasion of Honduras
1988 - US warship Vincennes, located in the Persian Gulf, shot down an Iranian plane carrying 290 passengers aboard, including 57 children.
1989 - US troops suppress riots on the Virgin Islands.
1991 - large-scale military action against Iraq
1992-1994 - the occupation of Somalia. Armed violence against civilians, killings of civilians.
1998 - Sudan. The Americans are destroying the pharmaceutical plant with a missile attack, claiming that it produces nerve gas.
1999 - ignoring the norms of international law, bypassing the United Nations and the Security Council, the United States forces launched a campaign of 78-day aerial bombardment of the sovereign state of Yugoslavia.
2001 - invasion of Afghanistan.
2003 - the bombing of Iraq.
2011 - Libya.

I'm talking about territorial expansion as in increasing the size of a country. None of these things have anything to do with that.

[Turist]

Originally Posted by Milky Way Resident

I'm talking about territorial expansion as in increasing the size of a country. None of these things have anything to do with that.

That is, everything is normal?