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Old 07-09-2017, 11:12 AM
 
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As long as Crimea and the most part of the Donbass stay Russian , I don't care about the Ukies, they can become the 51st state of the US if such is their wish, I couldn't care less.
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:42 PM
 
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... and so the insanity goes on.
I guess American media started waking up by now?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpV16BQfbrQ
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:26 AM
 
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U.S. AND EU SEIZURE OF UKRAINE

When Ukraine President Viktor Yanukovych was negotiating about Ukraine’s entrance into the EU, the EU refused to allow Ukraine to continue trading with Russia. It also demanded that Ukraine join NATO. This meant that the Crimea, the home of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet and only warm water port, would be handed over to NATO.

To carry out a coup against the elected Ukrainian government, the Euromaidan movement, led by neoliberals and fascists, received enormous Western support and funding. The reactionary movement seized the center of the capital, Kiev, and held it for three months. U.S. and West European media and politicians poured into the encampment with unanimous support.

Despite Russian and Ukrainian government efforts to negotiate, and a Russian pledge of debt cancellation and new funds, the elected Ukraine government was labeled “corrupt” and overthrown by a fascist gang, which seized government buildings on Feb. 22, 2014.

Faced with the loss of its only warm water port, Russia took control of the small peninsula and the Russian port in Crimea.

Fearing a wave of privatizations and quick industrial shutdowns that have come with every step of capitalist restructuring, the workers’ movement in Eastern Ukraine, the industrial heartland, seized factories and communication centers in self-defense against the fascist coup in Kiev.

The result was that Russia lost a major trading partner. Its sphere of economic relations became much smaller, and it faced an all-out effort at economic *strangulation.

BANKS AND SANCTIONS

Economic sanctions imposed by the U.S. and EU at this time were specifically designed to hit Russia in its energy sector, where the country is most vulnerable.

Suddenly no U.S. oil company could do business with Russia, nor could any companies sell drilling technology to access oil and gas reserves. The sanctions restrict access to Western financial markets. U.S. banks cannot issue long-term loans to Russian businesses for energy- focused projects.

Russian state banks are now excluded from raising long-term loans in the EU. The U.S. also put sanctions on Russian banks, banning U.S. companies from receiving or loaning money to them.

All this was intended to force the new capitalists around Putin to break with his policies and to submit to a total takeover to protect their own profits.

Russia is now on the defensive, and since 2014 it’s been clear that the imperialists’ plan is total dismemberment. Strengthening the state sector under Putin and tightening controls on foreign-funded NGOs and on capital flight out of the country were a matter of economic survival.

Russia a target, not a superpower
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:58 AM
 
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Those sanctions have hurt the EU also and apparently drove the message home that the west is not in any way reliable as a partner for Russia. Russia has turned elsewhere for investment and has begun investing in itself which brings it to be more self reliant.

The Ukriane is going nowhere fast I recently read an article about the fence they want to build on Russia border. The money allocated in 2014 has evaporated and little if anything has been built. Corruption is alive and well. People do not want the travel restrictions the crazies are trying to force on them, Russia and Ukraine are tightly connected where people are concerned.
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Old 07-17-2017, 07:10 AM
 
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... and so the insanity goes on.
I guess American media started waking up by now?

The same things exist in russia since a long time.
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Old 07-17-2017, 05:23 PM
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Just cruising through to check on the daily Russians bashing on Ukraine in here. You guys ever realize that nobody really cares what you think? Ukraine is joining Europe and its pretty obvious to them that Russia is a brother no longer.
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Old 07-17-2017, 07:07 PM
 
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The same things exist in russia since a long time.
"The same?"
Who? Where?
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Old 07-17-2017, 07:10 PM
 
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Just cruising through to check on the daily Russians bashing on Ukraine in here. You guys ever realize that nobody really cares what you think? Ukraine is joining Europe and its pretty obvious to them that Russia is a brother no longer.
And this "nobody" would be who? You?
Then why are you "cruising through" here?
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Old 07-18-2017, 12:38 AM
 
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And this "nobody" would be who? You?
Then why are you "cruising through" here?
The same few people keep posting in this thread and as always its the same conclusion that is being drawn over and over.
Russia is fighting against the imperial tendencies of the West to defend (expand) its territory. That's despite the fact that it already is the largest country in the world by a large margin with so much unused territory.
Why can't Israel expand its territory then?

All I see are Ichoro and scratt335 posting links over and over.
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Old 07-18-2017, 08:28 AM
 
Location: france
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"The same?"
Who? Where?
On youtube, you can find many video of young army camp in russia.
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...p+for+children

I don't speak russian, but I assume in russian you can find some more violent and deep **** on the subject.
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