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You burned only 50 pieces of men.
Not in 1000, but only 50 pieces.
And a little shoot from the tank to the police department.
And a little shooting from aircraft in civil people.
You were happy, looking like a woman with torn off feet dies.
You were happy that "female Colorado potato beetle" has died.
And then you have to prove that it's not a plane shot. This air conditioner exploded. Himself.
It is Russia blame?
It is Russian Nazis?
Please, seek help, this garbled nonsense you type is a manifestation of some deep mental issues cd forum cant help you with.
There is nothing particularly serious about those "Ukrainian cultural symbols." Truth to be told, all this hoopla about the "revival of Great Ukraine" is nothing but claptrap. The outskirts of former Orthodox powerful state, whose center of development moved eastward. That's why the Orthodox remnant (i.e. Ukraine) could never really stand on its own as a state; it either had to be subjected under Polish Catholicism or to ask for Russian protection. Noting in-between, really.
That's typical Russian nazi supremacist nonsense, 100+ years old "chornaya sotnya" crap to be exact, it is especially amusing in the light of knowledge of how what later to become Moscovites had moved eastward.
Russia is a highly unappealing, dead end social/economic/humanitarian etc. project, that's why largerly Russified Ukraine bleeds to set itself apart, it has nothing to do with your 1000 years old historical and religious fantasies.
Yet, the poet I was referring to had nothing to do with that. Vasyl Stus was a Ukrainian poet and dissident who lived and worked in Donetsk, he was concerned more with universal human rights issues than with Ukrainian national struggles. Why do Russian nazis fight with memory of this man? As a Russian nazi yourself you are qualified to make a wild guess.
That's right, the process was encouraged and supported by "American economic advisers," you are aware of it, right?
In America, you could find a Church or an "economic adviser" to suit and please every your whim and desire. What was so."American" and "official" about those advisers? You continue to insist that the people who managed to appropriate bulk of the wealth and power in the former USSR in just 20 years were just dummies (manipulated by USA), the dummies who didnt know what they want or how to get there. One cannot get more naive than that.
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Oh leave my poor soul out of it - I wasn't even there at that time)))) Concentrate on events that you know of ( or rather don't know as I can see.)
That's why you are bitter, you were not there to grab a piece of Mother Russia for whatever reason.
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What "Western democracies"? You can regurgitate Kiev's propaganda all you want; the truth is, the West didn't intend any "democracies" for post-Soviet countries. Otherwise it wouldn't have placed all the power and money in the hands of a few, hoping that they'd faithfully serve western interests.
Sure, global masterminds are so powerfull and cunning, they can design & control everything, except 99.9% of the things they cant. You are persistent in viewing post Soviet space as a passive, submissive, naive virgins violated by the evil West. The repressed Russian consciousness seek simple psychological shells to hide.
Democracy is a dirty curse word in the modern Russia not because of the global masterminds made it so, but because Russians try to self-medicate their deep sense of inadequacy. After all, in their minds, Russians are a tad short of the cosmic goodness, yet they have nothing to show as a proof. Russians bought into superficial myths of paradise on Earth as revealed in the images of the Western Stores shown by the Soviet TV, the've made an 1% arsed attempt at that myth, paradise didnt materialize within 500 days as it was promised, Russian designate foreign enemies as culprits behind all the misfortunes to herd behind a good tsar who would lead them into the battle with the foreign evil, punish domestic treason and just make good things happen. Gullible stupidity of the Russian mainstream, lack of drive and guts are not suspects, that would be impossible.
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"Western democracies" is something that West reserves exclusively for itself.
Democracy is an idea, it cannot be reserved. Representative democracy is not that much about "the rule of people" (logistically impossible for mass societies), it is more about the rule of law, applied uniformly more or less, and peaceful competition of the "elites" for power, peaceful transfer of power from one group to another. Those are the things Russians rejected, undoubtedly because the evil West told them so, and Russians cannot resist the orders by the evil Western masterminds.
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"Must deal" is a very broad term. The West "must deal" with Iranian ayatollahs, it has to deal with the House of Saud, and it has to deal with the Communist party of China. And all that "dealing" is very, very different.
The dealings are very similar, China, Saudis even Iran are better off after those dealings, not speaking of their ruling elites.
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Seek help, my friend, uncritical browsing 1 year old Russian propaganda, suspending rudimentary common sense in order to patch a black&white cocoon of certainty, as comforting as it might be, only exacerbate the issues you struggle with.
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It's enough to watch the older videos on youtube to see how overwhelming was the protest against the change of the government in Kiev, and how puny was support for "United Ukraine" when it comes to Donbass. That the neighboring country got involved in the internal conflict doesn't change a thing. Foreign forces were involved in Russian civil war as well, but civil war is still a civil war.
Russia doesnt support "rebels". It organizes, leads, arms Russian nazis and local collaborants, it provides direct military assistance, Russia tells them what to do and when, regular Russian forces subdued irregular nazi outfits refusing subordination, a few especially rebellious "rebel" leaders were exterminated. This is much unlike 1918 civil war.
You choose to lie about recent well documented events? Shortlived Donbass "protests" followed formal annexation of Crimea by the Russian Reich, almost 2 months after Yanukovich fled Kiev. Russian Fuhrer gave specific orders, there was nothing spontaneous about those protests. Protests involved 5,000- 10,000 people, many Russian citizens volunteers for the Reich among them, and the clownage lasted for a few days, the slogans and demands changed every day, reflecting uncertainty of the Russian organizers on how to proceed. Treasonous Ukrainian power collapsed, Russian nazis feeling support of mother Reich started killing and beating Ukrainian protesters starting day #1, Ukraine did nothing to save them. And yet, 5,000-10,000 protesters was poor propaganda to match 1,000,000 strong protests in Kiev a few months before, thus Russian Fuhrer discarded that in favor of the armed invasion of the Russian nazis lead by Girkin and arming local collaborants, unleashing terror on pro Ukrainian residents. 1 year ago Russia believed it would not take much to annex a large chunk of the Russian speaking Ukraine. And then ill equipped, untrained and Russian speaking Ukrainian army backed by volunteers managed to contain Russian nazi volunteer onslaught, Russian speaking Ukraine refused to rebel for the Fuhrer, to keep the fire burning Putin ordered direct military assault Crimean style.
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Russia doesnt support "rebels". It organizes, leads, arms Russian nazis and local collaborants, it provides direct military assistance, Russia tells them what to do and when, regular Russian forces subdued irregular nazi outfits refusing subordination, a few especially rebellious "rebel" leaders were exterminated. This is much unlike 1918 civil war.
I do hope that is true, altough I think it would have been more simple for the RF to annex the Donbass last year .
And unfortunately the fact that they eliminated colonel Strelkow is a big mistake I believe.
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3.5 Anonymous, led by the reconstructor, almost no tanks, 1 ****ty artillery systems, 3 months defending against the entire Ukrainian army. Including aircraft, artillery and tanks.
Several hundred miners and sales managers, led by guard Givi and Motorola car washer, killed Ukrainian cyborgs in Donetsk airport.
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It was a turbulent transition time. Ukrainian army was unwilling to shoot in the treasonous crowds surrounding the armed Russian nazi pioneers and/or sleepers. Ukrainian army gave up weapons to the mob way too easily, sabotage and insubbordination were frequent too. Actually, it took Russian nazis and collaborants a few murderous attacks at very unwilling to fight troops, costing dozens of lives, for the army to assume some resemblance of the fighting force, I guess they didnt believe it was for real, they didnt believe that Russians would kill Ukrainians to the glory of Reich.
Ukrainian army didnt fight Girkin' nazis as much as you allege, it just established a porous perimeter around Slavyansk, there were no infantry/tank attacks or heavy bombardments just lukewarm exchanges, and idiocy, like using transport planes for target spotting without assuming that Russian nazi brought shoulder fired missiles with them. Slavyansk looks nothing like Grozny for you to claim what you claim. There was little fighting and Russian nazi glory, and the nazis were allowed to escape to fill power void in Donetsk .Ukrainian side, in all its wisdom, didnt attempt to control Donetsk first when it was not occupied by the Russian nazis and colloborants. And things started to snowball after Girkin' nazi were allowed to escape to Donetsk.
Fight for Airport was different, it is true that Russian planners didnt spare local traitors as storm disposables, but many Russian regulars, Chechens and simply Russian nazis found their end there too. Airport held some symbolic meaning for the Russian fuhrer. Btw, can you even type a sentence without parroting that mad dwarf?
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I came out, one month ago.
Do not lie to me.
You do not want to negotiate with these people.
You do not want to hear them.
You think you can just kill dissidents.
Now they kill you. All right.
Justice also in the fact that Russia supplies mostly money. Weapons, mostly rebels buy from Ukrainian army.
You say that Russia - the enemy.
They say that Russia - a friend.
Why should Russia be allowed to kill our friends?
Please, comrade, it is another 1 year old meme you parrot. Long hibernation, huh? "To hear Donbass people" is an old meme Donetsk mafioso used to herd Donbass like cattle and grab national power in order to steal even more. The rest of Ukraine refused to live in the semi criminal/semi feudal/ semi nazi environment many Donbass people view as natural and the only possible. According to the criminal code of honor, former Donesks feudals lost their legitimacy by showing weakeness and cowardice in the face of a challenge. There is a new tough in Donbass town, the Russian Fuhrer. To hear Donbass people today is to hear the Russian Fuhrer, simple as that.
What does Russian Fuhrer really want? A puppet Ukraine with nothing Ukrainian about it, until the time will be right for Russia to fully absorb Ukraine puppet theater.
That's typical Russian nazi supremacist nonsense, 100+ years old "chornaya sotnya" crap to be exact, it is especially amusing in the light of knowledge of how what later to become Moscovites had moved eastward.
It's just an observation. Based on historic facts.
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Russia is a highly unappealing, dead end social/economic/humanitarian etc. project, that's why largerly Russified Ukraine bleeds to set itself apart, it has nothing to do with your 1000 years old historical and religious fantasies.
Oh, that part I perfectly understand - that Russia is "unappealing." Putin's Russia is very unappealing to me as well; not to me but to plenty of Russians, for a number of reasons. But that doesn't change a fact that Ukraine is historically attached to Russia, not "Europe" as some of you, munchnkins would like to imagine.
And that's why Ukraine is currently bleeding - not just Russified part of it, ( that understands this historic reality better than anyone else,) but the rest of Ukraine as well.
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Yet, the poet I was referring to had nothing to do with that. Vasyl Stus was a Ukrainian poet and dissident who lived and worked in Donetsk, he was concerned more with universal human rights issues than with Ukrainian national struggles. Why do Russian nazis fight with memory of this man? As a Russian nazi yourself you are qualified to make a wild guess.
Well he was a dissident. It's not like there were no dissidents in Russia.
His nationalist overtones don't change anything much. Besides, it's not like Russians never ever had nationalist overtones.
It's just an observation. Based on historic facts.
Those are projections of the Russian nazi mythology onto ancient past. Religion, in the sense of belonging to one Christian faction or another, no longer is used as a group identity marker outside of Russia. One can be a good protestant and Ukrainian or a Pole. There was no Russia 1000 years ago, up to 1500 +/- Moscovite princes were good Golden Horde vassals concentrating on getting more management rights from their Mongol masters. Moscovites were not particularly rebellious as compared to other Horde's vassals who eventually destroyed Horde. Only after 1500 Muscovy entered the scene as an independent player threatening other Kingdoms. Ukrainian identity was shaped by then, Russians try to wipe out that identity for 350 years by now. Ukrainian identity no longer depends on religious affiliations.
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Concentrate on events that you know of ( or rather don't know as I can see.)
