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Russia doesn't give a crap about Ukranians either. Since when did Russia value human life, at least 20 million dead in Stalin's purges and that just gets brushed off as a price to pay in the name of progress.
The very fact that there is a guy called Alec Solano on this board who dislikes Russia proves my point that just like with Libya, Vietnam... not everyone loves the groups that oppose the west as you may think.
Strange. If you added up all the Russians who died by whatever cause between 1900 and 1950 according to some you'd have to come to the conclusion Russian women don't have just one or 2 children, they have litters. 6 or 8 or 12 at a time.
Really MWR. A lot of what you bring to this discussion is relevant in the larger scheme of things but as with larger schemes what you don't get is a good look at things in depth.
You say people are by nature violent, aggressive, greedy war like whatever. I live in a region of roughly 6 million people and there's no war here. Occasionally there's little conflicts even shootings, a few murders. As a rule normal people don't do bad things.
People by and large seek to live together in conditions mutually beneficial to all.
Think about it. The think about what I said about aberrations.
As for Alec I read little of his posts as he has next to nothing to contribute.
Strange. If you added up all the Russians who died by whatever cause between 1900 and 1950 according to some you'd have to come to the conclusion Russian women don't have just one or 2 children, they have litters. 6 or 8 or 12 at a time.
I've heard conflicting reports about the total number, but what is a given was that it was huge. Families were quite large back in those days, so it's quite possible that many women had far more than 3 kids.
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Really MWR. A lot of what you bring to this discussion is relevant in the larger scheme of things but as with larger schemes what you don't get is a good look at things in depth.
You say people are by nature violent, aggressive, greedy war like whatever. I live in a region of roughly 6 million people and there's no war here. Occasionally there's little conflicts even shootings, a few murders. As a rule normal people don't do bad things.
People by and large seek to live together in conditions mutually beneficial to all.
Think about it. The think about what I said about aberrations.
Is that the greater Seattle area? I believe it's one of the safest major cities in the US along with Portland.
But what about cities like Detroit, St Louis or Camden?
If I get a job offer in the States I'll gladly take it. Despite all of its problems, I still think it's one of the best countries around.
When talking about people being violent I'm referring to humans as a collective unit, not individuals.
I gave an example to erasure earlier about how humans have domesticated animals to do their labour. We did it largely because we were on top of the food chain. Did we ever ask or care that animals may not wish to serve us?
How would it feel if aliens came to Earth and decided to make us their pets?
My main issue has always been with absolutes. When I see someone blaming one country or side, while ignoring the ills of others I feel the need to jump in. It's nothing personal I have against you or erasure.
Russia took in about 2 million refugees from Ukraine - Russians and Ukrainians alike, and kept on giving the asylum to those, trying to dodge the draft. Whom the Russian government treats the WORST in this situation, is actually not Ukrainians, but ethnic Russians, living in Donbass ( and other Eastern parts of Ukraine.) They gamble their lives away betraying their loyalty and trust, all while bargaining with the "Western partners."
Most of the so-called "refugees" are either ethnic Russians or Ukrainian collaborators who collaborated with the Russian occupation administration
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Which brings the issue of the attitude of the Russian population towards Ukrainians. Since Russians are familiar with the whole ordeal in a different way than the Westerners, who don't see the civilians killed and maimed by "Democratic Ukrainian government,"
Before the invasion of the Donbas by the Russian troops, there were no "refugees" there, as they are not in the part of Ukraine liberated from the Russian army.
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Of course not everyone. And Russians for the most part understand that Ukrainians are simply used by the West.
Ha-ha
Ukraine does not need the sympathy of people, 86% of whom support Putin's hordes in Ukraine
Most of the so-called "refugees" are either ethnic Russians or Ukrainian collaborators who collaborated with the Russian occupation administration
So if they are ethnic Russians or "Ukrainian collaborators" not accepting the Nationalists coming to power in Kiev and running from their homes, they are not refugees?
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Before the invasion of the Donbas by the Russian troops, there were no "refugees" there, as they are not in the part of Ukraine liberated from the Russian army.
I already know that so-called "Ukrainian patriots" have heavily damaged brains, but people were running from their homeland because they were treated this way by "Democratic Ukrainians" who clearly acted like occupational force towards civilians, with no "Russian troops" in sight.
A first-hand account of an American in Mariupol during the revolt in 2014. Very balanced between East and West. Worth reading are his observations in the footnote.
I many thought how right translate "ukraine" in English. "Borderland".
And what "Borderland" means?
That is a translation to poor British English.
British, as well as their younger even more poor russian brothers, just do not understand what "Frontierland" means.
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