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Old 09-14-2017, 05:44 PM
 
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Make no mistake, this is a token business arrangement. Any number of countries can sell anthracite to Ukraine since it has the capability to import it through Odessa. They wanted to buy it from the USA just to stick it in Putin's eye. Its politics, not business.

I know exactly why this civil war began: Russian suzerainty

Not even close. I'm not going to explain it again either. Anybody capable of reading a few facts in their spare time know what happened.

It wasn't Russian influence, it was US and European meddling and the "outreach groups" (assassination squads) didn't get to Luhansk and Donetsk before concerned citizens realized what was going on and fought back. They almost got lucky in Mariupol too.
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Old 09-14-2017, 05:53 PM
 
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Russian Coal $80 a ton. US coal $113 high cost of being the village idiot.
It's called "America first!"
MAGA in action)))
But village idiots will be talking about "freedom and democracy" of course, while bowing to their new masters.

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Old 09-14-2017, 08:25 PM
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Not even close. I'm not going to explain it again either. Anybody capable of reading a few facts in their spare time know what happened.

It wasn't Russian influence, it was US and European meddling and the "outreach groups" (assassination squads) didn't get to Luhansk and Donetsk before concerned citizens realized what was going on and fought back. They almost got lucky in Mariupol too.
Is that what you call it? When Russian agents beat up local Ukrainians waving their own flag in Donetsk and Luhansk, it was fighting back against western assassination squads? No wonder Ukrainians don't trust you guys anymore. You're nuts
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Make no mistake, this is a token business arrangement. Any number of countries can sell anthracite to Ukraine since it has the capability to import it through Odessa. They wanted to buy it from the USA just to stick it in Putin's eye. Its politics, not business.

I know exactly why this civil war began: Russian suzerainty
Yah. And if you remember?
After the coup, what did Donbass want? Remember? And what got in response?
And when the tanks were flooded to the east? On what day after the coup?
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:42 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Is that what you call it? When Russian agents beat up local Ukrainians waving their own flag in Donetsk and Luhansk, it was fighting back against western assassination squads? No wonder Ukrainians don't trust you guys anymore. You're nuts
Yeah, local. I remember the commercials with the buses of "local guys", from the western Ukraine, aga. And those fights and provocations, too, I remember.
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Old 09-15-2017, 12:02 AM
 
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Not even close. I'm not going to explain it again either. Anybody capable of reading a few facts in their spare time know what happened.

It wasn't Russian influence, it was US and European meddling and the "outreach groups" (assassination squads) didn't get to Luhansk and Donetsk before concerned citizens realized what was going on and fought back. They almost got lucky in Mariupol too.
Oh and what are those "few facts" that you seem to know so well?

Here's another fact for you. Ukraine wants to join the winner's club. The US and EU are far more competent economies that have diversified over the years. Russia with a population of over a 140 million has a smaller economy than Canada with only 36 million. Let that sink in for a moment.

Russia really needs to step up their game and stop relying on the provision of natural gas and sale of weapons as a means of ensuring long term economic growth. The most noteworthy Russian product I've used in recent memory is Kaspersky Antivirus.
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Old 09-15-2017, 12:06 AM
 
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Oh and what are those "few facts" that you seem to know so well?

Here's another fact for you. Ukraine wants to join the winner's club. The US and EU are far more competent economies that have diversified over the years. Russia with a population of over a 140 million has a smaller economy than Canada with only 36 million. Let that sink in for a moment.

Russia really needs to step up their game and stop relying on the provision of natural gas and sale of weapons as a means of ensuring long term economic growth. The most noteworthy Russian product I've used in recent memory is Kaspersky Antivirus.
Become a colony, this is not to join the club. Here in any way.
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Old 09-15-2017, 12:10 AM
 
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Become a colony, this is not to join the club. Here in any way.
If it stays with Russia, it will still be a colony. Smaller countries tend to be colonies of bigger ones either way in some form or the other.
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Old 09-15-2017, 12:17 AM
 
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If it stays with Russia, it will still be a colony. Smaller countries tend to be colonies of bigger ones either way in some form or the other.
But do not call. Colonization in one way or another, this is the pretext of "the West." To see poverty, devastation, drug addiction and call it democracy is not a Russian style.

"Opium wars" are still going on, only in different forms. Read, find a lot of curious.
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Old 09-15-2017, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Russia really needs to step up their game and stop relying on the provision of natural gas and sale of weapons as a means of ensuring long term economic growth.
I can open a little secret. In Russia a sale of grain brings more revenue than the sale of weapons.
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