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Old 02-19-2022, 09:41 PM
 
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I hope the West won't let Ukraine down at the hand of the Russian hordes of barbarians. This would be a great mistake and open a pandora box. If Ukraine falls into Russian hands, then the fate of Taiwan is set .
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Old 02-19-2022, 09:53 PM
 
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I hope the West won't let Ukraine down at the hand of the Russian hordes of barbarians. This would be a great mistake and open a pandora box. If Ukraine falls into Russian hands, then the fate of Taiwan is set .

What "hordes," what "barbarians"?
Russia is civilized and capitalist now, he-he, do it's all legit.
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Old 02-19-2022, 10:42 PM
 
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The Ukraine Revolution was in 2014 - under President Obama.

The 1st president Bush said NATO wouldn't expand when the Soviet Union fell. President Clinton reversed that policy stating the Ukraine join NATO. President Bush followed President Clinton's policy but didn't act on it.

Germany, France and the rest of EU doesn't see the need for Ukraine in NATO and doesn't want military action.

This is an entirely US reaction.

The timing of this crisis which is dubious.
BS, a NATO summit in Bucharest, Romania, President George W. Bush crossed that Rubicon, committing NATO to bringing in Ukraine and Georgia—another former Soviet republic left out of the previous decade’s enlargement—at some point in the undefined future.https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...a-ukraine.html

he "strongly supported" Ukraine's attempt to join Nato, and warned he would not allow Russia to veto its membership bid.

Speaking in Kiev after a meeting with Ukraine's president, Viktor Yushchenko, the US president George Bush said both post-Soviet Ukraine and Georgia should be allowed to join the alliance – despite vehement objections from Russia.https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...1/nato.georgia


These are his very words when he met the Ukrainan President in 2008: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0epyHOz-Pbs
What the ((( was George W Bush thinking when he said he strongly supported Ukraine and Georgia into NATO at the NATO summit in 2008 and his visit to UKraine?

It was Bush more responsible than Obama. Trump was despite the mainstream media stating he was the worse president in this generation is false, that honour should go to George W Bush. Bush should stand trial for crimes against humanity for its invasion of Iraq too. r. Biden has made some poor choices with Ukraine, but it was George W Bush that help really create the tensions there.

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Old 02-20-2022, 12:44 AM
 
Location: Russia
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I will post this video here. Says everything as it is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQE-...JohnMarkDougan
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Old 02-20-2022, 06:58 AM
 
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Six years later...

"Western Ukraine has always been significantly more pro-NATO than the rest of the country; Eastern Ukraine is far more anti-NATO and pro-Russia than the rest of Ukraine. Following the Russian military intervention of 2014, annexation of Crimea and the start of the Donbass War, many Ukrainians changed their views of NATO: polls from the middle of 2014 till 2016 showed that the majority of Ukrainians supported NATO membership."
So this is all about NATO to Putin? Once the majority of Ukrainians supported NATO, Putin said 'not under his watch'. Ironically when he annexed Crimea Ukrainians started supporting NATO more.
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Old 02-20-2022, 09:25 AM
 
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So this is all about NATO to Putin? Once the majority of Ukrainians supported NATO, Putin said 'not under his watch'. Ironically when he annexed Crimea Ukrainians started supporting NATO more.

Who told you so?
CBS? ABC? BBC?
But it's simply not true - their narrative.

See, there was certain contingent in Ukraine that ALWAYS wanted America/EU/NATO, believing in their naivete that that's where they belong.

And there was another part, that felt more of historic/cultural connection with Russia.
So it's a fairy tale that "If Russia wouldn't have taken the Crimea, the Ukrainians wouldn't have started pushing for joining NATO."
The ones that wanted to join EU(US, NATO - whatever) would have continued their activities in that direction irrespectivly whether Russia took over Crimea or not.


P.S. But for Putin of course Ukraine is more than just "NATO."
Of course he was looking forward to expand Russian economy there.

This was the plan in the making.

And that's when Washington decided to strike with Maidan.
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Old 02-21-2022, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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They have recognized the independence of LPR and DPR. Tanks are rolling across the border.

The Ukrainian attacks have triggered this.
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Old 02-21-2022, 12:59 PM
 
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F*cking hell, Germany/France said they are: disappointed about freedom and independence in eastern europe. Goes to show how "great" nato/eu is when they're disappointed parts of eastern europe is free and independent. At least Russia took the other side.


edit: Since the vast majority of people want is: https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...ruary-21-2022/
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Old 02-21-2022, 04:47 PM
 
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They have recognized the independence of LPR and DPR. Tanks are rolling across the border.

The Ukrainian attacks have triggered this.
Yes, that is what Russia says. The rest of the world knows that this is not true.
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Old 02-21-2022, 05:09 PM
 
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Yes, that is what Russia says. The rest of the world knows that this is not true.

But HOW exactly?

How the "rest of the world knows" what's true and what's not, when there are no correspondents on THAT side of Ukraine for the last seven years - no asking the locals, not seeing what's going on on the ground?
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