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I didn't even read it...countries need referendums and freedom and democracy, they don't need America.
America should go to...well America, what is this country doing on the other side on the globe anyway? I guess Americans are slavs, like us or better - Ukrainians like them.
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I was watching today yet another program of this particular Youtube Ukrainian media, and the guy ( he is not a comedian, but his reports are pretty humorous never the less,) so he said that back in 2014, when Poroshenko changed the constitution ( because the previous one was defining the NEUTRAL position of Ukraine,) and took course for joining NATO, he was actually PLANNING to have all-people referendum on that.
But it never happened, because half of the Ukrainian population clearly didn't want it, while another part did.
But we all know by now what happened in Ukraine.
People that were against this NATO course were told to shut up/to leave or to die, while the other part claimed all the rights.
"Democracy," you know - can't argue with that one)))
But anyway, going back to that program - it had the funniest ending ever;
"And by the way, on the date of projected Putin's invasion, Yanukovich is bringing his lawsuit to Kiev's court regarding his illegal dismissal from presidential post.
So it's not Putin who might be invading Ukraine soon, but Yanukovich."
...and in other news - American embassy is moving from Kiev to Lvov now, to Western Ukraine, the Nazi stronghold ( with the help of which the new regime has been established in Ukraine after the coup d'etat )
Meanwhile, Zelensky is running around, trying to talk everyone to come back to Ukraine - the oligarchs that escaped with their money, the investors that withdrew their funds.
And he is trying to tell to Americans now that there is no such things as "Western Ukraine" - the whole country is one and the same.
Just lol.
I guess he is not tired yet of his own lies and delusions.
They will never show you the other part - people that are asked on the streets whether they are worried by "upcoming Russian attack" and their response that they are not. They don't believe that they are going to be attacked by their own.
You just don't see THIS part of the interviews, because, as I've said, Western media is nothing but propaganda lately. It feeds you only what the Ukrainian government wants you to see, but nothing like THIS - other opinions on the streets of Ukraine, something like this, what's available in RUSSIAN ONLY, because as I've said no Western media outlets would ever translate/broadcast it;
Biden "F" up Afghanistan so very badly. It's was as bad as Vietnam. Just shameful.
The Democrats are up against the mid-term elections.
The Democrats internal polling shows a huge win for the Republicans.
The Democrats change Americans view of Biden.
This whole Russia/Ukraine chaos is:
1) To prove Biden is not a doddering old fool.
2) To prove Biden is a decisive world leader.
3) To make American voters forget the shame over the withdrawal of Afghanistan.
If you believe this gin-up crap over an invasion of the Ukraine, you are being played big time.
So it seems quiet as of this hour right now, since the last news is that Russian troops are withdrawing, yet I find it hilarious if the reason is because they've calculated that "they can do it with one soldier" <- too early to celebrate lol...
I am going on records as saying Putin never intended to invade Ukraine at all (I actually mentioned it a week ago in the Asia forum). How many weeks have we heard from the current US administration that an imminent invasion could occur at any time? It was almost Chicken Little screaming "the sky is falling" over and over. Putin is playing a game here, a chess game, that a threat alone will achieve his political goals - which is to create that buffer between NATO and Russia - he will be getting that in Minsk II agreement. In doing so he is extended the Clausewitz doctrine that war is simply politics by another means. In his case even the threat of war is simply politics to achieve his goals, and the west is busy playing a game of checkers by moving some token forces to Eastern Europe.
Putin has to be laughing.
Everyone also forgets that Putin can invade Ukraine at any time - next week, next month, next year. He has many options. Then we may see Minsk III with more concessions to Russia. He is playing his political game, it's time the west including the US plays our political game (or France, as it appears the big guy is taking a nap) and takes the initiative. Russia is simply a glorified gas station, start with the nord-stream pipeline
Russian Duma voted for official recognition of the Lugansk and Donetsk People's republics.
There were two versions of proposition - one more lengthy and indecisive presented by the "United Russia" and more time-pressing and decisive presented by the Communist Party ( I think Zuganov was the author of it personally.)
Duma accepted his version, the vote was almost unanimous - 356 VS 16.
V. Vodolatsky, first Deputy Chairman of the CIS countries Committee;
"Ukraine can take the path that her curators from the White House are pointing to her, and to start full-scale military offensive on Donbass, where about 4 million people are residing. Among them - 876,000 citizens of the Russian Federation. "
The project of this law is going to be sent now to Putin.
Russian Duma voted for official recognition of the Lugansk and Donetsk People's republics.
There were two versions of proposition - one more lengthy and indecisive presented by the "United Russia" and more time-pressing and decisive presented by the Communist Party ( I think Zuganov was the author of it personally.)
Duma accepted his version, the vote was almost unanimous - 356 VS 16.
V. Vodolatsky, first Deputy Chairman of the CIS countries Committee;
"Ukraine can take the path that her curators from the White House are pointing to her, and to start full-scale military offensive on Donbass, where about 4 million people are residing. Among them - 876,000 citizens of the Russian Federation. "
The project of this law is going to be sent now to Putin.
Yeah..
After Macron, Scholz arrived in Moscow with a visit.
And he basically said that if Moscow will recognize the DNR and LNR, it will be a "political catastrophe."
To which Putin responded "Sure. So if you don't want this to happen, why don't you MAKE Kiev to follow this Minsk agreement?"
Scholz ( like others before him) promised that "it's the only path."
But we already know that this "only path" leads to the possible internal turmoil and the new "Maidan" in Ukraine, so Blinken already tried to wiggle out of it ( i.e. pressuring Kiev to fulfill it.)
Scholz probably is still too naive and he doesn't understand what this is all about.
And that's why, I guess, Russian Duma is already moving ahead withe the vote on recognition, sending signal to the West - "make up your mind or else."
Another thing - when Scholz was talking about the "peaceful and defensive" nature of NATO, and that him and Putin witnessed no wars in Europe with NATO doing its job, Putin reminded him that it was NATO that bombed Belgrad.
To which Scholz said that "it was because of the genocide in Yugoslavia."
Putin responded that that's what's going on in Donbass now - the genocide.
In a nutshell, it would seem that on Tuesday or Wednesday, some unidentified people from the west will attack pro-Russian militias in Donbass, and the US is already blaming it on the Russians in advance.
I mentioned this in another thread, but this really does remind me of the publicity in the run-up to the military operation against Iraq back in 1991, in the sense that US basically announced a few weeks in advance almost the exact date of the initial attack, giving themselves and everyone else time to remove foreign citizens, diplomats, etc.
Anyway, if the Russians succeed, protecting Donbass and maybe, in a stretch if the Ukrainians prove weak, taking over territory to the north of the Sea of Avov to perhaps Kherson, and then the west applies sanctions, the US wins because they drive a wedge between Russia and Germany/Europe.
If the Ukrainians prove strong and the Russians fail to protect Donbass, the US still wins, and the Europeans with them, because they will continue to encroach on and surround Russia.
On the other hand, maybe nothing happens on Tuesday or Wednesday.
We’ll see.
Pretty much - I guess that's what the Russian government suspects as well, ( and that's why they are not in a hurry to withdraw the troops from the border, while the Duma is voting on official recognition of the LDNR)
So back to the "Minsk agreement" we go, since the matter becomes more and more pressing.
Scholz ( and I guess Macron) are claiming that they will "press Kiev to abide by it," while Washington already saw a trap and is instructing Kiev to prolong negotiations as much as possible. ( What does Washington care - it's not shelled on a daily basis.)
Meanwhile, instead of invasion, that's what happened in Kiev today, right on the Maidan Square, where so-called "revolution" took place back in 2014.
Yes, it's the anthem of the USSR playing there, not of the Russian Federation - the lyrics are unmistakably from Soviet times.
That's precisely what Zakharchenko was talking about in the interview that I left here earlier - a lot of people are longing for the times when they felt secure and there was no in-fighting.
This sentiment is even bigger in the South-Eastern Ukraine than in "Russia proper."
And this is one of the reasons why the corporate Russia was not in a hurry to protect/adjoin Donbass to begin with.
Too "blue collar," too Socialist in its nature, all while Putin and Co love their money on the offshore accounts.
But by now they realized what will happen to THEM if they won't protect at least the LDNR, and where THEIR security and protection from the NATO advancements goes...
As I've said before - the roosters are coming home to roost.
Betrayal turned out to be costly in each and every sense of this word.
To summarize, I still think a war will be a loss-loss situation. For one if Putin refrains as it stands it will make the west look histerical and paranoid and it will mean Russia is still a most important factor on the world stage and not just a ghost of the USSR in the reality of the america-china world. If however war starts: everything falls, aside from gun sales and the obvious human loss - but it's hard to calculate if it's justified since oil falls, stocks fall, crypto falls, tourism falls...everything.
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