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Old 10-12-2020, 01:50 AM
 
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By the way, in conclusion to the conversation about shipbuilding. Over the past 10 years, Russia has built about 650 ships, 250 military and about 400 civilian.Including those with nuclear propulsion systems, including large-capacity vessels, including ocean-class ships . Ukrainian 25 boats and one barge, this is undoubtedly a breakthrough.)))
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Old 10-12-2020, 08:49 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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Can't you just ignore the russians?
Not as long as they are attacking, no. When the violence stops, then I couldn't care less what Russians say about any of it. I'd like my friends and family in the SE to not be involved in a military conflict while being told (by Russian propaganda) that they need to fight against what they want: European integration. When the last Russian tank heads out of Donetsk I will be satisfied.

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Old 10-12-2020, 11:33 PM
 
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Not as long as they are attacking, no. When the violence stops, then I couldn't care less what Russians say about any of it. I'd like my friends and family in the SE to not be involved in a military conflict while being told (by Russian propaganda) that they need to fight against what they want: European integration. When the last Russian tank heads out of Donetsk I will be satisfied.
This will never happen. These are former Russian territories. It is time for the Russian Empire to recover its former borders. And here some reproach Russia for its weakness and inability to extinguish fires that occur on its borders, on its former lands. So we need to include all these lands in Russia, and then all the problems will disappear. Right?
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Old 10-13-2020, 09:59 PM
 
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This is the recent interview with Zelensky on BBC "Hardtalk" with Stephen Sackur.

( About 9:30 is a particularly interesting segment on the perspectives of Ukraine to be part of NATO and EU, and what Zelensky believes in, VS what what the Western powers have in mind for Ukraine.)


I am talking about the podcast here.



(This is the video of the interview. )



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc0G0Y7Rubc&t=220s


Some commentators ( both on Russian and Ukrainian sites) think that this is the *writing on the wall* for Zelensky, since he is not as effective as Poroshenko in delivering what the Western overlords want.
However 75% of Ukrainians voted against Poroshenko during the last presidential elections - that much is true as well.
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Old 10-14-2020, 08:07 PM
DKM
 
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This will never happen. These are former Russian territories. It is time for the Russian Empire to recover its former borders. And here some reproach Russia for its weakness and inability to extinguish fires that occur on its borders, on its former lands. So we need to include all these lands in Russia, and then all the problems will disappear. Right?
The next best case scenario would be if those areas leave and join Russia then. I assure you, none in the rest of Ukraine would be sad to see them go. But give them a fair vote instead of using tanks. And that you cannot do because even in Donetsk the majority of people don't want to be part of Russia (if you include the people that had to flee for this opinion).
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Old 10-14-2020, 08:28 PM
 
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... more interesting news on that last trip of Zelensky to Great Britain.

So as it tuned out, *Kate and William* were not the only people Ze had pleasure to meet with; there were other, namely - non other but the head of British MI6, Richard Moore.

And of course, when the chief of the Secret Intelligence Service of one country whistles to the president of another *sovereign and independent* country, things are getting interesting.
Ze don't want us to know what this conversation was all about ( since we are dealing with James Bond people, obviously - it should remain attractively mysterious and sophisticate,) yet here is the sccop on it ( I bet damn Russians bugged the place as usual. )

So here is goes;



"During the meeting, three main topics were allegedly discussed:
  • The attacks by Ukrainian authorities on anti-corruption bodies and the will of the President’s Office to take control of the Special Anti-corruption Prosecutor’s Office, the National Anti-corruption Bureau, and the Office of the Prosecutor General, as well as the country’s courts;
  • The situation in the East and Russia’s actions; and
  • Zelensky’s entourage, not only official, but also informal, who have a significant influence on the Ukrainian president."


To put it in layman's terms, the first warning means that whatever people Americans appointed as watchdogs in their agencies in Ukraine for their own purposes, the president of the aforementioned "free and independent" country has no business of dismissing them - that's not in his competence.

The point number two - there is something Zelensky is doing wrong in his relations with Russia ( when it comes to Donbass,) and it was already evident during that BBC "Hardtalk" interview,) and Britons are not exactly pleased with him.

And number three - there are some people that surround president, that Britons are not happy with, and this needs to be addressed.



So this was the message that Boris Johnson wanted to convey to Zelensky (as the source states it,) but I find this whole new development rather unexpected.
It's kinda interesting that Great Britain jumped in, taking direct control over Ukraine, and one can only ponder why.

Is it because Trump has such a distaste for Ukraine ( for totally justified reasons,) and therefore he shifted the responsibilities elsewhere, or is it Great Britain, coming out of a shadow of the EU and anticipating Brexit is flexing its muscle already, as an independent political player?
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Old 10-14-2020, 10:01 PM
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You could read that a lot of different ways. You are just taking the vagueness and filling in the gaps with an anti Ukrainian slant. And these days since Ze actually cares about Ukraine, the Russian dogs are all over him too.
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Old 10-14-2020, 10:12 PM
 
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You could read that a lot of different ways. You are just taking the vagueness and filling in the gaps with an anti Ukrainian slant. And these days since Ze actually cares about Ukraine, the Russian dogs are all over him too.



Truth hurts, innit?

The news came from "Slava Ukraine" site)))
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Old 10-15-2020, 01:32 PM
DKM
 
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Truth hurts, innit?

The news came from "Slava Ukraine" site)))
Also the 3% who are nazis are also all over him. Both sides are idiots and most of the country knows this. Russia cannot allow there to be a majority who are both against Bandera and Russian fascists, but it exists all the same. As their MFA announced again today "Ukraine is a democratic European state committed to European values." Simple as that, this is their goal.
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Old 10-15-2020, 06:43 PM
 
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What are "democratic European states" and "democratic European values"?
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