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Old 10-23-2020, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Yes, I get that it angers Russians that Ukraine will get a normally tested safe european vaccine and Russians get their untested might make them worse product. Not my problem. This is going to keep frustrating you because they will continue adopting European standards and products across their entire spectrum of society. It's already happening with the massive construction projects going on around Kiev to absorb people fleeing the "russky mir". This decade will be a painful one for a Russian to watch...
At least from Putin's "untested" vaccines, testers don't die, like vaccine testers from AstraZeneca
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Old 10-25-2020, 03:45 PM
 
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Looks like Pro-Zelenskiy candidates lose in local elections


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh7cy3hoGbM
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Old 10-25-2020, 04:08 PM
 
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Looks like Pro-Zelenskiy candidates lose in local elections


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh7cy3hoGbM
Zelensky was crushed on his first day in office. He was taken aside and told that this is how it's going to be and if he wanted to survive all he had to do was be obedient. He's a puppet, that's all. Maybe the Ukrainian people know it and hopefully they do.
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Old 10-26-2020, 10:03 AM
 
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Looks like Pro-Zelenskiy candidates lose in local elections


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh7cy3hoGbM

Yes this is a big blow for "Servant of the people" party and Zelensky personally, which was all too predictable, knowing what's going on in the country.

He neglected the interests of his voter base in the East, while bending to the demands of the Nationalists in the the Western part of Ukraine, who still rejected him all the same.

And hence the results.

"Opinion surveys have indicated that candidates from Zelenskiy’s party will likely perform poorly in Sunday’s local races for mayors and municipal councils across the country. Servant of the People’s approval ratings were hovering around 16% heading into the election. During Ukraine’s July 2019 parliamentary election, the party came out on top with 43% support.

...But Zelenskiy, 42, has seen his popularity dwindle steadily as living standards have continued to plummet, corruption has remained widespread and international efforts to negotiate a settlement to the separatist conflict in eastern Ukraine have failed to yield tangible progress."

https://wtop.com/europe/2020/10/ukra...s-young-party/

Judging by what I see here, in voting results, they rather indicate the further disintegration of Ukraine, with pro-Russian party rising in popularity in the East yet again, and Nationalists pushing their way in the West.
Other than that - the popularity of locally-created blocks/parties, unknown to the rest of the country are getting people's votes.


"At a polling station in the Pechersk district in Kiev, more than 30 people had lined up to vote.
"I want to return to the time before 2014, before these reformers who are dragging us towards Europe came to power," Inna, a retiree, who said she voted for pro-Russian party, told AFP.
"What have we got since then? War, devastation, poverty," she said on the condition that she withhold her last name.
Final results are expected in three to five days, according to the election commission."


https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/25/...ymyr-zelenskyy


So yep, it was all quite predictable, particularly in the light of ongoing Covid pandemic, when about 160,000 doctors were forced to leave the country as direct result of so-called "health reforms" conducted by the US.

In this dire times Ukraine has shortage of doctors now as well, because they couldn't survive on the salaries that were offered to them, plus overall the devastating conditions Ukrainian health care is in.
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Old 10-26-2020, 02:33 PM
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The fact is that European standards are so different.For Europeans, the first sort- one, for a second-class Europeans, others.For the colonies, quite the third. After all, European salaries and European pensions have already happened.Really? Everything is as standard ! And in the photo, we must assume the same builders .
This is clearly a photoshop. The best the Russian mind has to offer? Why so worried about Ukrainians becoming European? Afraid it offers them a better life than what Putinism brings?
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Old 10-26-2020, 02:59 PM
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Location: California
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Servant of the People was a party created for Ze's presidency. It didn't exist more than a couple years ago so its not surprising to see that it didn't unseat any major local offices. Nearly every major city re-elected its incumbent so it doesn't look like people are as upset with their situation as some on here hope. City council's are pretty weak in Ukraine but not a lot of change occurred on any of them either. The turnout overall was low but that's also pretty normal for elections in 2020 where voting in person is the only option. Russians spinning this as a sign Ukraine is ready to return to Russia, or wants to split into a pro Russian half, are just as hopeless as they are clueless.
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Old 10-26-2020, 06:34 PM
 
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Servant of the People was a party created for Ze's presidency. It didn't exist more than a couple years ago so its not surprising to see that it didn't unseat any major local offices. Nearly every major city re-elected its incumbent so it doesn't look like people are as upset with their situation as some on here hope. City council's are pretty weak in Ukraine but not a lot of change occurred on any of them either. The turnout overall was low but that's also pretty normal for elections in 2020 where voting in person is the only option. Russians spinning this as a sign Ukraine is ready to return to Russia, or wants to split into a pro Russian half, are just as hopeless as they are clueless.
With spin like this I get nauseous just reading it.
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Old 10-26-2020, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Russia
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This is clearly a photoshop. The best the Russian mind has to offer? Why so worried about Ukrainians becoming European? Afraid it offers them a better life than what Putinism brings?
Well, of course, who would doubt it.. Everything that does not fit into your paradigm of perception of the world and break your pattern is either photoshop or Russian propaganda.
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Old 10-26-2020, 09:57 PM
 
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Servant of the People was a party created for Ze's presidency.

Yes it was created with specific purpose in mind, so that whatever laws/reforms Zelensky ( or rather the IMF/Americans) had in mind, this party ( being a majority in parliament) would vote for, thus assuring their implementation. ( And that's precisely how the "land reform" and "banking laws" demanded by the IMF were passed; Zelensky was personally asking his party to vote the "right way."

And they did.

So yes, the rest of the country is perfectly aware of what that was all about, as much as it's aware of the incompetence of the majority of people in that party, and later more and more - about the wide-spread corruption among them, (in spite of all the previous promises of Ze, that it's not going to be the case, that he and his "Servants" are different.)

And that's why people don't want their reps to be in the local offices.


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It didn't exist more than a couple years ago so its not surprising to see that it didn't unseat any major local offices. Nearly every major city re-elected its incumbent so it doesn't look like people are as upset with their situation as some on here hope. City council's are pretty weak in Ukraine but not a lot of change occurred on any of them either.

Actually, there IS something new there.
Sharij's party is voted in the local offices of some major cities in the East, officially so.
And your nationalist friends that were attacking them trying to kill these people, are nowhere there, as much as they tried to be voted in as well.


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The turnout overall was low but that's also pretty normal for elections in 2020 where voting in person is the only option. Russians spinning this as a sign Ukraine is ready to return to Russia, or wants to split into a pro Russian half, are just as hopeless as they are clueless.

It's not the "Russians" that are "spinning" anything - it's the Western media that finally reports on the downfall of Zelensky and his party, which was quite predictable.
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Old 10-27-2020, 02:16 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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Ze is going to be president for 3 more years. We'll see what he accomplishes when the virus lets up. I hope he pushes forward with reducing the MP's to 300. The rest of what he wants to do is minor in comparison. If you're upset about the reforms needed for IMF support, you're REALLY going to be mad when they implement what NATO requires to receive a MAP. There is more to do, but the best way to fight corruption is a reduction/reform of the parliament.
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