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Old 10-16-2020, 12:00 PM
 
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Also the 3% who are nazis are also all over him. Both sides are idiots and most of the country knows this. Russia cannot allow there to be a majority who are both against Bandera and Russian fascists, but it exists all the same. As their MFA announced again today "Ukraine is a democratic European state committed to European values." Simple as that, this is their goal.

Russia is in no position to "allow" or "not allow" such things.

This is the specific of the region ( Ukraine that is,) and there is not much today's Russia can do about it ( back in Soviet times it was a different story.)
Soo..
All these "European values" in Ukraine announced by anyone is an empty sound ( unless of course we'll include Yugoslavian experience in "European values" as well.)
So this is what's REALLY going on in Ukraine since the last presidential elections;
The vote against Poroshenko ( and whatever Americans were trying to achieve there with his help) was 73%.

Only 35-40% top were voting actually for Zelensky, and it was mostly the Easterners that voted for him, that hoped that Ze, being originally from the Eastern part of Ukraine, will give them the relief from oppression coming from the Western part of Ukraine, and the draconian language laws were one of the major points.

What happened in the reality however, was that Zelensky actually bowed to 25% of the nationalistsic voter base of Poroshenko, whose policies were supported in the Western part of Ukraine, and betrayed the expectations of the Easterners, that voted him in the office.

Now WHY EXACTLY it happened - because Americans pointed him that he has no choice or because he was genuinely afraid of the nationalists or both - we can only guess.
Now when it comes to the Nationalists - the most vocal and militant part of them, as a separate political force ( they have their own party representing them - "Svoboda" I believe) - their popularity ( voter base) stands at 3%, which doesn't preclude them from running the country by the physical force, with their people ruling the streets.

Which suits the interests of Poroshenko's "European choice" party just fine ( voting popularity at 25%,) and it suits the interests of Zelensky/his "Servant of the people" party and Americans that so far back all these arrangements since they hurt Kremlin's interests.

Of course Poroshenko has no business sitting in the parliament in the first place ( even less so leading any party,) for the amount of corruption he was involved in during his presidency, but hey - even when the corruption of Biden ( with whom he was in close relations) is disregarded back in the US, as long as he can unseat Trump, what do we care about corruption in Ukrainian government - it's all the links of the same chain as in the US.

So with all that being said, the sudden appearance of Great Britain in "Russia's backyard" ( as they've put it themselves,) is a yet another wild card, keeping in mind that now they can emerge as a separate political power ( I didn't even realize that Brexit officially takes place by the end of this year already.)
It's as wild new card as that Karabakh conflict that popped in Caucasus, with Turkey now muscling its way in, and being all over the place there ( that's how Americans wanted it to be back in the nineties, and that's the direct result of it now.)

But back to Ukraine and British involvement; now I see the presence of Graham Phillips in Donbass in the whole new light by the way.

Sure enough he was there from the beginning of all these events; he was there with Givi, Motorola and Zakhar, so he couldn't NOT to realize that Donbass was betrayed/bargained away by Kremlin.

I don't think he is that naive, knowing everything he experienced/learned there firsthand.

Therefore I am leaving this new wild card open ( the direct involvement of G.B. in Ukrainian affairs.) What will come out of it, we will see, particularly now, when Zelensky is coming up with few weird questions for the nation, that some regard as nothing but usual self-advertisement before the election campaign, (when his party ratings are going down) and some actually regard these questions as something more significant and puzzling. (First of all his referral to Budapest Memorandum back in 1994, when Great Britain, Russia and US guaranteed the territorial integrity of Ukraine, in exchange of Ukraine giving up its stockpiles of nuclear weapons.)

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Old 10-16-2020, 03:24 PM
 
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https://news.yahoo.com/leaders-turke...174129482.html
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Old 10-16-2020, 05:09 PM
 
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So the conflict in Caucasus keeps on growing I see...

This is the next article from the same site though;

"A history teacher who showed his pupils cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed in class was beheaded near his school in a Paris suburb on Friday by a suspected Islamist terrorist who shouted “Allahu Akbar", police said...

The presumed killer was reported to be an 18-year-old Chechen, the sources said."

So keeping in mind that Turkey's Erdogan converted the museum back to the biggest mosque in the world couple of months ago, Zelensky is ready to sign up the Islamists in his quest to destroy Russia, as much as America was ready to sign up the Nazi for the same purpose.

So what's new under the sun?
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Old 10-19-2020, 02:08 PM
 
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It looks like they are fuming over there.
Their Covid is getting out of hands, so Mevedchuk from "Opposition platform" met with Putin and asked for Russian vaccine.
Putin said OK, you can buy it, as soon as it's ready for official distribution ( which is the beginning of the next year.)
Ukrainian health minister was getting on board with it, until Americans embassy called him in, rebuked him, and posted on its site that there is no way Ukraine is allowed to buy Russian vaccine, since it's "not thoroughly tested and risky."
But instead, they already offer to about 4,000 Ukrainian volunteers to test some new vaccine ( from Europe or US - that I don't remember.)
The comments that Ukrainians are leaving on US embassy site are quite understandable in this case - it's all about colonial rule and what the "White masters" are dictating them from the metropoly already out in the open.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3SW3xw6AOc
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Old 10-20-2020, 07:30 PM
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Ukraine said they don't want Russia's unproven vaccine and Russian propaganda claims it was because America told them to reject it. Fixed it for you.

Just as I predicted on here months ago, Putin will offer his unproven vaccine to his supporters in Ukraine, and then use its denial as a propaganda ploy. I didn't guess that they will actually blame the USA for this, but since Ukraine will get its vaccine from a Western source eventually, it was only a matter of time.
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Old 10-20-2020, 09:29 PM
 
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Ukraine said they don't want Russia's unproven vaccine and Russian propaganda claims it was because America told them to reject it. Fixed it for you.

Just as I predicted on here months ago, Putin will offer his unproven vaccine to his supporters in Ukraine, and then use its denial as a propaganda ploy. I didn't guess that they will actually blame the USA for this, but since Ukraine will get its vaccine from a Western source eventually, it was only a matter of time.

So kind of you, but don't worry on my account - fix it for American embassy in Kiev and Mrs Christina Queen herself.
It's on US embassy site.
"Ukraine don't want Russia's unproven vaccine" came right after "constructive collegiate dinner" with the head of the country's Ministry of Health Maxim Stepanov.
As I've said earlier.

https://balthazarkorab.com/2020/10/1...ssian-vaccine/

So yeah, sure - "Ukraine said," lol.


P.S. But hang on, there are more interesting news coming - Bellingcat decided to attack Sharij - ROTFLMAO)))
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Old 10-21-2020, 12:52 PM
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Ukraine doesn't want an unproven, unpublished fake vaccine that could possibly make covid worse in men. From yesterday's Lancet:

"Several COVID-19 vaccine candidates use a presumably harmless variety of adenovirus — adenovirus 5 (Ad5) — as a delivery mechanism for the genetic material that produces the antigen that is stirs up an immune response against SARS-CoV-2 infection.

But the same “vector” was used in HIV vaccine trials, and some evidence suggested that Ad5 might make some men more vulnerable to HIV infection.

“Roll-out of an effective SARS-CoV-2 vaccine globally could be given to populations at risk of HIV infection, which could potentially increase the risk of HIV-1 acquisition,” wrote the authors of a letter published in the Lancet yesterday. “This important safety consideration should be thoroughly evaluated before further development of Ad5 vaccines for SARS-Cov-2 and informed consent documents of these potential risks should reflect the considerable literature on HIV-1 acquisition with Ad5 vectors.”

The four authors of the letter — Susan P. Buchbinder, M. Juliana McElrath, Carl Dieffenbach and Lawrence Corey — are respected researchers."

Save it for the respected countries in Russia's world: Syria, Venezuela, Iran.
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Old 10-21-2020, 01:25 PM
 
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Ukraine doesn't want an unproven, unpublished fake vaccine that could possibly make covid worse in men. From yesterday's Lancet:

"Several COVID-19 vaccine candidates use a presumably harmless variety of adenovirus — adenovirus 5 (Ad5) — as a delivery mechanism for the genetic material that produces the antigen that is stirs up an immune response against SARS-CoV-2 infection.

But the same “vector” was used in HIV vaccine trials, and some evidence suggested that Ad5 might make some men more vulnerable to HIV infection.

“Roll-out of an effective SARS-CoV-2 vaccine globally could be given to populations at risk of HIV infection, which could potentially increase the risk of HIV-1 acquisition,” wrote the authors of a letter published in the Lancet yesterday. “This important safety consideration should be thoroughly evaluated before further development of Ad5 vaccines for SARS-Cov-2 and informed consent documents of these potential risks should reflect the considerable literature on HIV-1 acquisition with Ad5 vectors.”

The four authors of the letter — Susan P. Buchbinder, M. Juliana McElrath, Carl Dieffenbach and Lawrence Corey — are respected researchers."
And by "Ukraine" you mean the US embassy?
I have no idea where this research of yours came, what vaccines specifically it's talking about, ( since you are usually all talk/no links kind of a guy,) plus Russian vaccine is still at its stage 3, ( so not quite ready to go yet, so I'll suspend my judgment for now.)

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Save it for the respected countries in Russia's world: Syria, Venezuela, Iran.
Right, right, so what have heard you about the testing (offered for about 4,000 Ukrainians) of the new super-duper vaccine of the Western origin instead?
Because some Ukrainians refer to it as not something within the lines of "Syria, Iran," but within the lines of "Cherokee tribes circa 1800ies...")
( That's one of the comments left on US embassy site in response to that "constructive collegiate dinner" of Mrs Queen and Stepanov. )
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Old 10-21-2020, 01:45 PM
 
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Erasure stated that Youtube is cracking down, censoring information in the Belarus thread. How true.

All major media is in the US.

The US is utterly corrupt.

Listen and weep patriots.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ANRoYxGQ1U
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:45 PM
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The Senate Republicans issued their report on their Biden investigation last month. In it they found no evidence that Joe Biden acted inappropriately in Ukraine. Sorry if the Russian hack/dump didn't work this time around. Nice try though, I give it a C+ for effort.
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