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To summarize, I still think a war will be a loss-loss situation.
For Russia - definitely so, even if for a reason that Putin stated that Ukraine and Russia are one and the same people, so he is not planning to attack Ukrainians. ( You'd never hear something like that in the Western media of course, but it was all over in Russian news.)
Yet another thing -if he attacks ( and heaps a lot of destruction on Ukrainian territory) who is going to fix all this and how much it's going to cost afterwards? Not to mention the loss of the human lives, particularly keeping in mind that a lot of these people actually support Russia, since its' the Eastern part of the country.
(Yet again - the Western media is showing the "anti-Russian unity" in "threatened by Russia Kharkov," which is in reality nothing else but a rally organized by the Nationalists ( I can clearly see them in the "front row," carrying anti-Russian banners, but for Westerners they are presented as "part of the protesting commoners."
But yesterday I watched Sharij's video on a subject, and here is the view from the drone, that shows how "big" that protest really was, organized by the Nazi; (at 15:16 here.) And that's in the 1,433,886 population city.
Now compare it with what Western video presented as the "anti-Russian unity of Kharkov."
Overall a very interesting dispatch, where the comments coming from those places ( the Russian-speaking cities of the South-East) are even more interesting. Such as; "Bwa-ha-ha Kharkov is Ukrainian-speaking city? Best latest joke ever. We just feel sorry for the waiters in the restaurants that break their tongues speaking Ukrainian, and for the the rest of us, inhabitants - because it messes our brains." (Ukrainian language is enforced by law now in public places.) This comment has 1 K likes. Another similar one - 4.5 K. of likes.
Which gives me pretty good idea of what's going on over there.
I'd be mad as hell too, if a redneck from the near-by village would force me to speak some hickish dialect, instead of my native language of science and literature - the one I've been raised with.
And I am not from Ukraine, but I feel for them, obviously.
By the way Sharij is an ethnic Ukrainian, he knows Ukr. language perfectly, but he refuses to speak it now, for obvious reasons - he stated it publicly.
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For one if Putin refrains as it stands it will make the west look hysterical and paranoid and it will mean Russia is still a most important factor on the world stage
I guess so.
He is better off doing what he is doing now - making "boo," while stationing his troops at the border.
(That's Liz Truss (just in case you haven't heard of her disastrous trip to Moscow lately,) and Boris Johnson, respectively.)
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and not just a ghost of the USSR in the reality of the america-china world. If however war starts: everything falls, aside from gun sales and the obvious human loss - but it's hard to calculate if it's justified since oil falls, stocks fall, crypto falls, tourism falls...everything.
Yeah, the alternative is kinda concerning and doesn't make much sense.
For Russia - definitely so, even if for a reason that Putin stated that Ukraine and Russia are one and the same people, so he is not planning to attack Ukrainians. ( You'd never hear something like that in the Western media of course, but it was all over in Russian news.)
Yet another thing -if he attacks ( and heaps a lot of destruction on Ukrainian territory) who is going to fix all this and how much it's going to cost afterwards? Not to mention the loss of the human lives, particularly keeping in mind that a lot of these people actually support Russia, since its' the Eastern part of the country.
(Yet again - the Western media is showing the "anti-Russian unity" in "threatened by Russia Kharkov," which is in reality nothing else but a rally organized by the Nationalists ( I can clearly see them in the "front row," carrying anti-Russian banners, but for Westerners they are presented as "part of the protesting commoners."
But yesterday I watched Sharij's video on a subject, and here is the view from the drone, that shows how "big" that protest really was, organized by the Nazi; (at 15:16 here.) And that's in the 1,433,886 population city.
Now compare it with what Western video presented as the "anti-Russian unity of Kharkov."
Overall a very interesting dispatch, where the comments coming from those places ( the Russian-speaking cities of the South-East) are even more interesting. Such as; "Bwa-ha-ha Kharkov is Ukrainian-speaking city? Best latest joke ever. We just feel sorry for the waiters in the restaurants that break their tongues speaking Ukrainian, and for the the rest of us, inhabitants - because it messes our brains." (Ukrainian language is enforced by law now in public places.) This comment has 1 K likes. Another similar one - 4.5 K. of likes.
Which gives me pretty good idea of what's going on over there.
I'd be mad as hell too, if a redneck from the near-by village would force me to speak some hickish dialect, instead of my native language of science and literature - the one I've been raised with.
And I am not from Ukraine, but I feel for them, obviously.
By the way Sharij is an ethnic Ukrainian, he knows Ukr. language perfectly, but he refuses to speak it now, for obvious reasons - he stated it publicly.
I guess so.
He is better off doing what he is doing now - making "boo," while stationing his troops at the border.
They depict the pro-Soviet population as a bunch of backwards idiots who are being bombed by Russia but claim it is actually Ukraine (because Russian media says so).
Then they accuse LNDR of banning Ukrainian language with no mention of the language police in Kiev. Then the writer says progressive overthrew Yanukovych and people in Donbas are living in the past.
They interview a recruit from Russia fighting for Ukraine and are about to praise him as a brave anti-Putin activist but then oops, turns out he is white supremist. NYT had to cover themselves and ran away, Kept blaming the LNDR for all the deaths, no mention of Ukraine military crimes.
They depict the pro-Soviet population as a bunch of backwards idiots who are being bombed by Russia but claim it is actually Ukraine (because Russian media says so).
Well sorry - I can't access the article because of the paywall, so I can only comment on what you say about it here.
The "pro-Soviet" population of Eastern Ukraine is pro-Soviet I assume, because they didn't see anything good coming from the oligarchy that took over Ukraine back in the 90ies ( as it was in "Russia proper" as well.)
Plus they are "socialist" by nature - that's what Russians are in their mass - plenty of them. It's not like they don't understand what "private enterprise" is - a lot of people run it in Eastern Ukraine including ( so it's really NOT Soviet system over there.) It's just the in-built mechanism in them, dictating that once you have enough, it's enough, and the prosperity ( or rather security) in their lives should be stretched more or less equally across the line. And that the government should be there to make sure of that ( education, health care, pensions - that kind of things.)
And I think that it's right and very befitting in THAT part of the world, because of mentality and traditions, and NOT the abominable Soviet ideology itself.
It's my personal opinion that such model would be appropriate for "Russia proper" in post-Soviet times as well; strict governmental control over the country's natural resources/heavy industry. The rest can go for the private enterprise.
Because we already saw what happened over there, when the governmental control over the natural resources/heavy industry was removed.
What a thuggery and murder took place, with tonnes of money being shipped out of the country, which nearly destroyed it. So Anglo-Saxons can enjoy their "entrepreneurship on a grand scale," because they have more self-restriction and colder heads, plus trade/banking and private enterprise is their "turf" historically as well.
But for Russia ( and this includes Eastern part of Ukraine of course) a different model is a must.
The kind they could easily build in post-Soviet times, greatly IMPROVING, not destroying the system, but obviously that's not what happened.
So with all that being said, I understand why Eastern Ukrainians are stubbornly holding on to the old memories of the USSR, of Brezhnev's times most likely.
Particularly when I look at what kind of reforms Zelensky's government is pushing, and what inept idiots ( literally so, because I see them walking and talking in many videos from Ukrainian Parliament. Those of you in US that complain about certain characters in US gov. - you "haven't seen nothing yet," trust me. )
As for "being bombed by Russia" - I have no idea what they are even talking in that article about, when it comes to controlled by Ukraine territories.
Because there is such thing as the "grey zone" where the fighting between both troops is taking place, so Ukrainians on controlled territory simply moved out of that area.
The OTHER side however (on LDNR side) civilians are shelled constantly, with Ukrainian government always claiming that it's the LDNR shelling its own territories ( and citizens) themselves. It became a bitter joke actually in the LDNR.
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Then they accuse LNDR of banning Ukrainian language with no mention of the language police in Kiev.
I checked on it ( because I remember that when Zakharchenko was the Prime minister, both languages were recognized as official - Russian and Ukrainian over there. But they changed the law in March of 2020, saying that as far as the official paperwork goes ( courts, legal documents and such,) - Ukrainian language proved to be unnecessary, since the overwhelming majority in those regions have Russian as their native language. I imagine it's true, since I practically don't hear Ukrainian speech over there ( other than so-called "surzhik" - the mixture of both.
Plus I imagine 2020 was about the time when the decision was made to start integrating the LDNR into Russia proper - slowly but surely.
What Kiev is doing in this respect ( language policies) is outrageous of course, so I was kinda happy to hear that American embassy was running to Lvov now, thus acknowledging Ukrainian deep division, whom exactly America supports and why.
It was as entertaining as watching Zelensky inviting Biden to Kiev, because "this would save Ukraine from the *imminent Russian attack.*"
Just lol, what else can I say.
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Then the writer says progressive overthrew Yanukovych and people in Donbas are living in the past.
Yes they do.
This usually happens when the "progressive" government has nothing better to offer to its impoverished, downtrodden citizens in the present or in the foreseeable future.
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They interview a recruit from Russia fighting for Ukraine and are about to praise him as a brave anti-Putin activist but then oops, turns out he is white supremist. NYT had to cover themselves and ran away,
Oopsie, what an inconvenience to talk about all these Nazi boyz, flocking to "free and democratic Ukraine."
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Kept blaming the LNDR for all the deaths, no mention of Ukraine military crimes.
Umm so has Ukraine been invaded yet? I thought yesterday was the day? What’s the hold up? Has the invasion been rescheduled? How long will the media cry wolf?
Biden "F" up Afghanistan so very badly. It's was as bad as Vietnam. Just shameful.
The Democrats are up against the mid-term elections.
The Democrats internal polling shows a huge win for the Republicans.
The Democrats change Americans view of Biden.
This whole Russia/Ukraine chaos is:
1) To prove Biden is not a doddering old fool.
2) To prove Biden is a decisive world leader.
3) To make American voters forget the shame over the withdrawal of Afghanistan.
If you believe this gin-up crap over an invasion of the Ukraine, you are being played big time.
Wherever if it is the Democrats or Republicans in power, it will not help Ukraine. As after all it was George W Bush that supported Ukraine against Russia in the first place and supported the expansion of NATO there.
Wherever if it is the Democrats or Republicans in power, it will not help Ukraine. As after all it was George W Bush that supported Ukraine against Russia in the first place and supported the expansion of NATO there.
"Let's go to the other end of the world where we don't belong" <- america's policy since 1989 or even before, on that note Russia should invade Australia. I mean if America can do it all over the globe, Russia can too.
Umm so has Ukraine been invaded yet? I thought yesterday was the day? What’s the hold up? Has the invasion been rescheduled? How long will the media cry wolf?
I think Putin got cold feet, or maybe just not in the mood for killing thousands of people.
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