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Old 09-18-2020, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Russia
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During WW2, if the Americans and British didn’t provide the USSR with material wealth, it would have been run over by Hitler.
You greatly exaggerate the value of lend-lease. Without a doubt, he provided assistance, but I will not say that, he was critical in winning the war.. The USSR only produced about 90 thousand tanks and self-propelled guns during the war, and only 12 thousand were delivered under lend-lease during the entire war. And so practically for all positions. The only thing that can be distinguished is planes and trucks. Lend-lease procured from 10 to 25% of the amount of equipment produced in the USSR.

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Old 09-18-2020, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Russia
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This is something only a Russian can come up with. Are you speaking from experience?
No )) Not from my own experience. And I do not know who the author of this aphorism is.But agree, well said)))
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Old 09-18-2020, 11:24 PM
 
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Since Russians live in that kind of environment, they are more accustomed to it. Meanwhile, the invaders were ill prepared to handle an extended campaign. That’s why they wanted to conquer Russia as quickly as possible.
They are "accustomed to it" because they are generally tougher than the Westerners.

It's not only about cold - it's about an ability to survive in the wilderness, to live in the forests if necessary, it's about dealing with destroyed roads, an ability to march through swamps day after day, to cross the rivers, to build the destroyed bridges day after day, month after month, with no sufficient sleep/food and the rest.

Sort of what you see here at 7:05.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz-CFWCVbpY

OF COURSE the Westerners want to be in and out of that country as soon as possible, because they are simply not cut to deal with all these calamities the way Russians are.

The time ( not just *weather*) is not on their side.

But it is on Russians side, because as I've said they are tougher, they can pull it through.

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You’d be dead wrong though. Russia played a pivotal role on the Eastern front, but had little bearing on the West. Britain defended itself. The Western allies were the greatest contributors to Normandy and the eventual liberation of France.
Germany didn’t have the means to project itself across the Atlantic.
Whaa?
How many German divisions were sent to the Eastern front? ( Soviet Union that is) - 148, 80% of German Army then?
And how many were "on the West?"
30?
So there you have it.

Of course Russians are a tough bunch, men in particular.

I totally get it, why in the exciting upcoming new world order with 35 genders, this particular breed of men is very much unwanted, lol.

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Old 09-18-2020, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Russia nearly collapsed on at least 2 occasions. Napoleon would have conquered it fully if not for the weather.
During WW2, if the Americans and British didn’t provide the USSR with material wealth, it would have been run over by Hitler.
I wonder why you don't remember who supplied Hitler with gasoline, whose corporations produced military products for the Reich. Take an interest in the activities of Ford, Standard oil, General motors, and even Coca-Cola did not stay away during the war.


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On the eve of world war II, us corporations and banks invested $ 800 million in the country's industry and financial system. The amount at that time is huge. Of these, the leading four from America invested about $ 200 million in the militarized economy of Germany: Standard oil-120 million, General motors-35 million, ITT investments amounted to 30 million, and Ford-17.5 million dollars.
It is shocking that even after the United States entered world war II on December 11, 1941, American corporations continued to actively fulfill orders from firms in enemy countries, and supported the activities of their branches in Germany, Italy, and even Japan
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Old 09-19-2020, 06:59 AM
 
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You greatly exaggerate the value of lend-lease. Without a doubt, he provided assistance, but I will not say that, he was critical in winning the war.. The USSR only produced about 90 thousand tanks and self-propelled guns during the war, and only 12 thousand were delivered under lend-lease during the entire war. And so practically for all positions. The only thing that can be distinguished is planes and trucks. Lend-lease procured from 10 to 25% of the amount of equipment produced in the USSR.
True. Lend lease did make a difference in 1942 and 1943 at some key points such as Sherman tanks shipped through Iran in the the Caucasus and Jeeps used to tow anti tank guns. Other things goods such as British Matildas and Cromwell tanks ended up being almost useless because in winter they were unable to move on Russian terrain and were under gunned and poorly armored. Russians loved the Shermans and Studabakers.

It has to be said that LL shortened the war for Russia and made it less costly that is true. On the other hand the USSR was capable of doing it herself if need be.
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Old 09-19-2020, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Russia
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A new study by the world health organization has revealed the level of child alcoholism in different countries. It turned out that the first place in this rating is occupied by Ukraine, ahead of Israel.

Ukraine is in the list of four dozen countries ranked... first place and by a huge margin ahead of Israel, which was in the second position of this shameful rating.

It's very sad to be a colony..
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Old 09-21-2020, 06:58 AM
 
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It's a rot I see in many countries. Russia too but not as bad. America? God help us, there's not a drug under the sun that isn't easily obtainable inside of an hour anywhere. Drug dealers have delivery services.

Seattle has ceased prosecuting drug crimes and many other cities have also. Auburn is thinking about suspending prosecutions, there simply isn't the resources to control it.
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Old 09-21-2020, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on social policy Galina Tretyakova proposed to legalize prostitution in the country. Earlier, members of the presidential party "Servant of the people" proposed to sterilize the Ukrainian unemployed and legalize casinos.

"The sex industry is one of the oldest professions. It is, has been, and will be. And those who organize it (pimps) work in the "black" part of the economic spectrum. They make a profit, but they don't pay taxes. When you have a license, you can control it. Those who work in this field will then demand pensions from the state; in case of an accident or disability, social services will be connected," promised "servant of the people" Galina Tretyakova and added that if she had her will, she would legalize everything possible in Ukraine.

Recall that in June, Tretyakov proposed to sterilize the unemployed, as they are born " children of low quality»


Depressingly sad to be a colony..
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Old 09-21-2020, 05:40 PM
 
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Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on social policy Galina Tretyakova proposed to legalize prostitution in the country. Earlier, members of the presidential party "Servant of the people" proposed to sterilize the Ukrainian unemployed and legalize casinos.

"The sex industry is one of the oldest professions. It is, has been, and will be. And those who organize it (pimps) work in the "black" part of the economic spectrum. They make a profit, but they don't pay taxes. When you have a license, you can control it. Those who work in this field will then demand pensions from the state; in case of an accident or disability, social services will be connected," promised "servant of the people" Galina Tretyakova and added that if she had her will, she would legalize everything possible in Ukraine.

Recall that in June, Tretyakov proposed to sterilize the unemployed, as they are born " children of low quality»


Depressingly sad to be a colony..
So long as it's a choice and not an act of desperation I have nothing against it. Currently in Ukraine I doubt much of a choice is present in the decision.
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Old 09-21-2020, 05:51 PM
 
Location: North America
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Russia nearly collapsed on at least 2 occasions. Napoleon would have conquered it fully if not for the weather.
During WW2, if the Americans and British didn’t provide the USSR with material wealth, it would have been run over by Hitler.
This is not the case.

When the Red Army stopped the Germans before Moscow in December 1941, about five weeks after FDR approved extended Lend-Lease aid to the USSR. Virtually no Lend-Lease materiel had yet reached Soviet shores, much less been shipped to the front. Once the Wehrmacht was stopped before Moscow, the initiative was lost and never regained.

While Lend-Lease undoubtedly helped - Khrushchev famously claimed that SPAM won the war for the Soviets - and significantly accelerated things in the East, which had ripple effects in that the West was deprived of forces allocated to staving off the Red Army, it does not appear that but for Lend-Lease the USSR would have fallen. Come to terms? Maybe. But even that is uncertain.
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