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Old 09-12-2020, 12:20 PM
DKM
 
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A little bit of democracy. Imagine howling, if in Russia so treated with SNN for example )))
Ukraine can have any Russian propaganda app removed from its in country App store it wants. Nobody at CNN would howl about it if Russia banned CNN from their app store. Because nobody cares what Russia does inside of Russia unless it involves violations of human rights.
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Old 09-12-2020, 12:27 PM
 
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Ukraine can have any Russian propaganda app removed from its in country App store it wants. Nobody at CNN would howl about it if Russia banned CNN from their app store. Because nobody cares what Russia does inside of Russia unless it involves violations of human rights.
What do you mean ? Honestly honestly ? ))))
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In Russia, there are restrictions on freedom of speech, the Internet,and the media. This is stated in the annual report of the US state Department on the human rights situation in the world
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At the press conference that took place
On September 16, at the Central house of journalists, the OSCE (Organization for security and co-operation in Europe) representative for freedom of the media, German politician Freimut DUWE, spoke about violations of freedom of speech in Russia. He called the reason for such violations pressure on the media from government agencies
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The ECtHR called on Russia to change the rules for blocking Internet resources
The ban on calls to rallies found a violation of the European Convention
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Old 09-12-2020, 12:30 PM
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What do you mean ? Honestly honestly ? )))) In Russia, there are restrictions on freedom of speech, the Internet,and the media. This is stated in the annual report of the US state Department on the human rights situation in the world
Yes, Russia restricts freedom of speech. This isn't exactly groundbreaking news... oh you are trying to say that blocking Russian war propaganda in Ukraine is restricting freedom of speech! You're mad that it doesn't quite work that way?

Ukraine allows its pro Russian idiots to say whatever they want. Case in hand, this Derkach guy is still running his pro Russian lies as much as he wants. It's another difference between the two countries. One is free, the other is not.
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Old 09-12-2020, 12:46 PM
 
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Yes, Russia restricts freedom of speech. This isn't exactly groundbreaking news... oh you are trying to say that blocking Russian war propaganda in Ukraine is restricting freedom of speech! You're mad that it doesn't quite work that way?

Ukraine allows its pro Russian idiots to say whatever they want. Case in hand, this Derkach guy is still running his pro Russian lies as much as he wants. It's another difference between the two countries. One is free, the other is not.
No no, you're the one who's mad )) And I'm just surprised that in such an enlightened , democratic country, such a blockage can happen. .

Oh, Yes, war propaganda, that's for sure. The worst that can happen. this is what the population of Ukraine learns the truth about themselves and their authorities.And the worst thing is to find out that Russia is going forward, and Ukraine is going down. That's for sure. this is aggression. But where are the defenders of free speech ? ))))
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Old 09-12-2020, 12:56 PM
 
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Yes, Russia restricts freedom of speech. This isn't exactly groundbreaking news... oh you are trying to say that blocking Russian war propaganda in Ukraine is restricting freedom of speech! You're mad that it doesn't quite work that way?
No it does not.
Russia does not restrict "freedom of speech" - it restricts freedom of action.
But then, again, it's the kind of *freedom* that Americans helped to bring to Russia back in the 90ies, while *liberating* the society from "communism."
Everyone had "freedom of speech" at that point all of a sudden, but no one could do much, since everyone was left with bare ass, thanks to the "liberal economy," that placed all the money in the hands of oligarchy.

So yeah, you could protest all you wanted, but without food on your table your "freedom of speech" was worthless.

Not sure why you are not happy with this arrangement of things today in Russia.




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Ukraine allows its pro Russian idiots to say whatever they want.

Except for when the Nazi go after them.

And they do.




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Case in hand, this Derkach guy is still running his pro Russian lies as much as he wants. It's another difference between the two countries. One is free, the other is not.

Case in hand, what "lies" exactly?

Was it ever proven that the tapes he provided were fake?

That's "case in hand" for you, right there.
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Old 09-12-2020, 01:02 PM
 
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Just two photos. Lviv automobile plant. It was 2012 and became 2020.






Unrestrained prosperity and fiercely growing progress under the wise leadership of the West. - Yes! It's sad to be a colony...

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Old 09-12-2020, 04:32 PM
 
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Ukraine's automotive production had fallen 98% as of 2018.

If that's what you call a success I'd really hate to see a failure.
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Old 09-12-2020, 06:35 PM
 
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Colonies are not meant to produce. They meant to be a dumping ground for Western production.

And what's even worse - with this kind of arrangements, the birth rate in Ukraine already fell 40% after 2014.

Ukrainian women will refuse to have children if they are not sure they can provide for them, so it's really easy to manipulate demographics in that part of the world (Russia/Ukraine/Belorussia, and most likely the rest of Eastern Europe.)
So yes, the US will fight Russia till the last Ukrainian, as it has been already said before.
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Old 09-12-2020, 07:56 PM
 
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You're slightly understating Erasure. Colonies do produce, but only what they're allowed by their owners. Colonies are not allowed to be competitive in the relationship when it comes goods and products. Not in ways that will hurt their masters profit margins. Mann and Mercedes do not want Kraz to produce light trucks that could compete with their products.

The Nazis Plan Ost stated that the eastern territories were to be culled of the excess unproductive population by way of deprivations and the remaining fit population utilized on plantations and extraction of capital resources such as coal and bulk steel production. This would all be done under efficient Nazi administration using suitable members of the Master race.

See any similarities with what's going on today anyone?

It's sad about Ukrainian women too. At best most will have 1 child in their lives if any at all. I really do wonder about the other EE states too. I keep hearing that the porn industry is booming in that part of the world. Where women are desperate such things become an option and it's not by choice for the most part.

What a success story this is.
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Old 09-13-2020, 12:55 PM
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Just two photos. Lviv automobile plant. It was 2012 and became 2020.


Unrestrained prosperity and fiercely growing progress under the wise leadership of the West. - Yes! It's sad to be a colony...
Blatant Russian propaganda. How sad this is the result of Russians clinging to the past. bbbut 2008 we were so reech and stronk! Nobody cares Ivan...

LAZ was owned by a Russian criminal group before finally closing in 2014. To present it as thriving in 2012 is very misleading at best. You are trying to present Ukraine's turn from Russia as a failure because one already failing factory owned by a Russian oligarch finally closed? That old soviet junk is being demolished and will be converted to a residential complex (due to increasing demand for housing from people fleeing your "russkiy mir".)

Meanwhile, Electromash in Lviv, is doing fine having taken it's place. Perhaps because it involves a German investor.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCou...ture=emb_title

Bogdan in Lutsk

ДП «Автоскладальний завод №1» АТ «АК «Богдан Моторс»

Watch and weep haters. Out with the old, in with the new.
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