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Old 12-15-2020, 05:53 PM
 
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As are Russians. I met a family who arrived last month, fled the violence of their authorities in their native city. Seems some mobster in charge didn't like what they were posting online about stolen property. What a relief to be here where its simply a matter of getting a job and working to pay the bills without worrying about cops harassing your family "off duty".

And Belarus, are you kidding... why would anyone want their country to be like that.

You "meeting a family" doesn't mean much DKM.
But statistics are clearly showing us, that Ukrainians are fleeing in droves their country with destroyed economy and healthcare system ( you of course are calling it all "reformed.")
And then they are used as a cheap labor in EU countries, starting from Poland.

They describe their experience in youtube videos ( both god and bad) in this respect, they talk more and more about their dwindling population on the talk shows - we can hear/see it all ( unlike you, apparently.)
Some Russians are gloating at their troubles, but some of us genuinely feel sorry for them.
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Old 12-15-2020, 08:03 PM
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Yes, keep on posting more Russian propaganda youtube videos on here. It will surely convince someone that Ukraine needs to be run by Russia.
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Old 12-15-2020, 08:11 PM
 
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Yes, keep on posting more Russian propaganda youtube videos on here. It will surely convince someone that Ukraine needs to be run by Russia.

Sure, no problem; this is Kiev today.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ87BhSsDgs




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3O5HoqrkrA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaRzzv1AXwk


(Ooops, sorry - that's Ukrainian channels, so I still have to look for the "Russian propaganda" ones..)
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Old 12-15-2020, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Russia
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What? did the police stop standing on ceremony with the protesters?
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Old 12-15-2020, 11:42 PM
 
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What? did the police stop standing on ceremony with the protesters?

I dunno, apparently it was "criminal Yanukovich regime" that "unlawfully used police force to control democratic crowd."
When now colonial regime of Zelensky is controlling the growing protest by police, it should be all good and dandy.
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Old 12-15-2020, 11:48 PM
 
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I dunno, apparently it was "criminal Yanukovich regime" that "unlawfully used police force to control democratic crowd."
When now colonial regime of Zelensky is controlling the growing protest by police, it should be all good and dandy.
Not otherwise, dissatisfied protesting citizens are now automatically enrolled in putin's agents and enemies of the motherland.After all, the colonial power is holy and everything it does is holy and pure by definition. Only the enemies of the country can protest against it, and nothing else ))
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Old 12-16-2020, 03:31 PM
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It was a rally by tax cheats wanting to continue the old ways and being against reforms. Resistance to de-sovietization continues. Notice police aren't chasing them down and beating them on the ground like people in Russia/Belarus get when they demand something. Nobody is saying those are Russians. Russians don't protest, they take their orders like slaves.
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Old 12-16-2020, 06:03 PM
 
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You "meeting a family" doesn't mean much DKM.
But statistics are clearly showing us, that Ukrainians are fleeing in droves their country with destroyed economy and healthcare system ( you of course are calling it all "reformed.")
And then they are used as a cheap labor in EU countries, starting from Poland.

They describe their experience in youtube videos ( both god and bad) in this respect, they talk more and more about their dwindling population on the talk shows - we can hear/see it all ( unlike you, apparently.)
Some Russians are gloating at their troubles, but some of us genuinely feel sorry for them.
Ukraine's crappy situation began long before Euromaidan.
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Old 12-16-2020, 06:04 PM
 
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I dunno, apparently it was "criminal Yanukovich regime" that "unlawfully used police force to control democratic crowd."
When now colonial regime of Zelensky is controlling the growing protest by police, it should be all good and dandy.
Colonial? Why colonial? Unless you view Jews as the colonizers of Ukraine?
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Old 12-16-2020, 07:14 PM
 
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It was a rally by tax cheats wanting to continue the old ways and being against reforms.
In your twisted world only.

These are are small/medium business people coming from all over the country, who are driven by desperation.

No jobs, no support from the government ( since Ukrainian government is bankrupt,) - only orders "to stay home," while their debts are mounting with no relief in sight.
( Same is with their health care - it simply collapsed under the weight of this covid epidemic.
No more places in hospitals, and they don't even have enough of those old fashion cylinders with oxygen any longer, to alleviate the suffering of their patients. ( There was a sad case of father who refused to take "his portion" of oxygen, so that it would go to his son, who stayed in the same ward with him. I think both of them died nevertheless.)
Not only that - they have serious shortage of doctors/nurses, who left the country either for Russia or Poland, since they couldn't survive on the meager salaries the Ukrainian budget allotted to them after the "health care reforms."

As in one nurse left for the whole floor ( I am listening now what they've witnessed in certain hospitals.)
And in the country side, when the only doctor for the whole area died of covid - these people have nowhere even to go, when something happens to them.)
So yes, people are growing desperate, and thus the latest protest in Kiev.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zimAfyIclFw



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Resistance to de-sovietization continues. Notice police aren't chasing them down and beating them on the ground like people in Russia/Belarus get when they demand something. Nobody is saying those are Russians. Russians don't protest, they take their orders like slaves.


Yeah-yeah-yeah..
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