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Ukraines problems are many. The biggest and most glaring are the facts it is not only at war with itself, it's at war with it's greatest neighbor. Russia. There is no solution on the horizon. Everybody is getting pissed off. France, Germany the 2 powerhouses business wise of Europe and sick of the situation. The EU idiotologists need to get a clue. It's not about idiology, it's about practical everyday wants and needs of citizens from the Urals to London. America and Poland want this to continue, they don't care a whit about Ukrainians.
There's nothing being done. Zelensky is not being allowed to do what he needs to do. Zelensky is not in charge in Ukraine.
Ukraine's problems are many. But its biggest one is that Putin refuses to allow it to develop independently from Russia. The only way he can slow down its western integration is to foment a war in Donetsk. You're right, there is no solution because Putin will not let go. Neither side can win militarily here. He thought the west would chose the importance of Russian trade over allowing him to do this to Ukraine, but he was wrong (sanctions). So he tried to co-opt different political parties in Europe. Still no dice. He tried to get Ukraine's opposition to be a Pro Russian integration platform. It flopped.
I don't think he has any other plans but the current trajectory which is low level war and economic and political standoff with the west. I guess he's waiting for a downturn so he can play it the next election but that's a long ways away. Slowly the pro Russian/Soviet population in Ukraine is dying off and replaced by people with no affinity for the past. His "base" in eastern Ukraine is shrinking. People in Russian controlled areas have mostly fled. Much of the industry there is gone and will not return. He's losing, and probably realizes it according to his latest interview.
No troll spread any propaganda, it is just a bunch of misinformed, and probably drunk idiots along with a mob mentality. Exactly how did Russian Internet trolls spread anything? Please tell me some details.
They were misinformed by the fake viral emails and social media posts going around about this. And someone added provocateurs to the mix. Sure it could have been instigated by any opponent of the authorities but Russia's hand is probably not far away, if past performance is any indication.
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Who is upset over trade numbers?
Read those posts of mine in context, it might help you.
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Are you upset over Russia's economic growth despite all the sanctions?
Why would I be upset over 1.3% growth? Too bad wages there are still down over the past 7 years. Anybody wonder how Russia can have 3 times the GDP per capita of Ukraine but the wages are almost the same?
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Ukraine reminds me of Mexico in a way, masses of people left the country and work elsewhere, and send money back. I read it is what, 4% of Ukraine's GDP is remittances? I thought the entire purpose of Maiden was to improve Ukraine, but no, it is what I originally stated years ago, millions of people want to leave Ukraine and go live in the EU, and that is what Maiden was all about, they had zero care about Ukraine.
Yes over a million have gone to the EU to work as there are labor shortages in Poland, Czechia, etc. Many from the ruins of Donetsk actually... This is what is funding a construction boom in the rest of the country that is nicer than the run down east.
Maidan was about 2 related things: corruption of the government and Ukraine's direction towards Europe instead of Russia. That's a long process but it is still moving in this direction. Not as fast as we would like but given the situation (Russian war, people fooled into resisting reforms, etc.) it's doing okay. Maybe slowly is better actually. There are just so many corrupt people who had layers of control there it will take a while to peel them off.
No troll spread any propaganda, it is just a bunch of misinformed, and probably drunk idiots along with a mob mentality. Exactly how did Russian Internet trolls spread anything? Please tell me some details.
Probably "uninformed" is even better way to put it, since in some interviews with the locals, I see that they are saying that they were looking for information, but nobody could give them answers, neither the local authorities, nor the government, that kept the location unannounced (not decided on it till the last moment or keeping it secretive - who knows.)
So this brought forth a lot of fears and rumors that spread like fire among the villagers, and then the reaction of the mob followed.
No "Russian trolls" were spreading anything - it was a total failure of Zelensky government on each and every level - to allocate funds, to prepare the adequate facilities ( the videos from inside of that dumpster taken by the evacuees followed shortly.) And the worst of all of course - it was total failure of the government to communicate with its own population both on local and top levels.
So no mythical "Russian trolls with propaganda," no "hand of Kremlin" were a reason for this incident.
If anything, during the Russian "60 minutes" show, Russian politicians were literally SCREAMING at Ukrainian reps in the studio - "How could you NOT communicate with your population, how could you NOT work with your people in this situation?"
It was strangely reminiscent of Soviet times, when the central government, the "think tank," was rebuking its subordinates for the job poorly done. And the bosses were genuinely angry.
Then they mentioned that yes, some Russian locals were trying to protest the arrival of evacuees in Tuymen region as well, but "that's why you provide information to locals and adequate explanations," in order to prevent this kind of crap from happening.
Is the IMF forcing Russia to do the same? They close redundant hospitals too. It also reflects population shifts away from smaller towns to bigger cities.
You are clearly not following everything I wrote before on a subject.
It's OK, when I have a bit more time, I will put together the pieces of the puzzle for you, where they all fit - the actions of Putin's government, why its ultra-right policies are so reminiscent of IMF's, the true motives of fake "American moderate Democrats," ( read "Corporate Democrats,") where they fit in the picture and the rest.
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Belarusians pay the least for gas yet their population is declining too. So what's the correlation there? Eastern Ukraine was losing population when gas was cheaper too. Of all the things that happened to the east, you think it's gas prices which is causing their problems...
Scroll down to the graph of "Belarus Population growth" and take note of the year, when it starts crashing down.
Bulgaria being a "historical ally of russia" and "trojan horse" in the EU. While the information is extremely outdated, innacurate and biased it's sad how people use the media to influence all those average Joes believing such info about the soviet countries. The media is called 4th power not without a reason.
Bulgaria being a "historical ally of russia" and "trojan horse" in the EU. While the information is extremely outdated, innacurate and biased it's sad how people use the media to influence all those average Joes believing such info about the soviet countries. The media is called 4th power not without a reason.
Euro. You express a strong sense of independence as do many in that part of the world. No EU, no NATO, no Russia unless it's mutually beneficial.
You are wrong headed. Remember what happened to Yugoslavia? Iraq?
Euro. You express a strong sense of independence as do many in that part of the world. No EU, no NATO, no Russia unless it's mutually beneficial.
You are wrong headed. Remember what happened to Yugoslavia? Iraq?
Don't worry, America will take care of you.
Toe on the line or pay the price.
I can't see how are Yugoslavia and Iraq related to the EU or Bulgaria today, the Yugos was just Serbia doing imperialism and Iraq some weird personal feud of Bush/Bush senior with Saddam or an attempt to steal oil. Even Ukraine doesn't make sense in this context. I am also genuinely curious what will the US foreign policy be when they elect that guy now (Sanders) who if elected will be the oldest person to be elected ever, so the world will have to deal with 70 years old Putin and 80+ Sanders...it doesn't sound too frightening as a beginning.
eh, so what. Bulgaria still hosts a lot of corrupt Russian money. So does Cyprus and Italy and London. Big deal. its not the host nations's obligation to determine if its part time foreign residents stole money from back home.
But since this is a thread about Ukraine and you asked about Sanders, I did some reading. It appears Sanders is against the current course to provide military support to Ukraine. But that seems to be the only difference between him and the rest regarding Russia and Ukraine orientation.
Investigation into the latest incident - the riots in Poltava that were brought by the arrival of the evacuees from China.
Who was behind the initial messages on social media about the "infected evacuees" and so on.
Not "Russia-Russia-Russia,"
Not "hand of Kremlin"
and not Putin, but local authorities ( with Poroshenko's orders) AND Greko-Catholic Church.
No wonder this whole affair had such medieval feel to it.
This fits the bill.
Investigation into the latest incident - the riots in Poltava that were brought by the arrival of the evacuees from China.
Who was behind the initial messages on social media about the "infected evacuees" and so on.
Not "Russia-Russia-Russia,"
Not "hand of Kremlin"
and not Putin, but local authorities ( with Poroshenko's orders) AND Greko-Catholic Church.
No wonder this whole affair had such medieval feel to it.
This fits the bill.
It could be yeah. Not convincing either way...
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