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Old 03-04-2020, 11:00 PM
 
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I heard he made a statement that Zelensky doesn't know anything about economics. He voiced an opinion and was sacked for it?

That's democracy?

And yes, the Kiev junta just needs to accept the fact that they have lost the Donbas, forever. Unless the people of Donbas end up in Kiev which is entirely possible.

As for your reading comprehension, you need to work on it.

This is part of what Lavrov said in the article.



None of it has anything to do with your comment.

I had to catch up with their latest news fast.

No, it was even worse than Goncharuk making a statement behind the closed door that Zelensky doesn't know anything about economics. In the very same conversation he acknowledged that HE himself doesn't know much about it either.

With other words, the ignorant dufus with no higher education ( his diploma is fake, as it has been established) was placed in position of prime-minister by the IMF, (Goncharuk is one of Soros protege,) and since the economy of Ukraine keeps on crumbling, Zelensky's approval rate keeps on tumbling down.
People are well-aware that figures like Gonachruk are put in their positions by IMF/Soros and they run the economy of the country, being the major source of their misery.

Zelensky had to put up with all that, however his patience was running thin, the more he saw the figures/results of the *activities* of this cabinet of ministers.

Goncharuk ( and the rest of that team) thought they were untouchable ( since they were put there by the West,) and Goncharuk became particularly obnoxious lately, when he made public the latest negotiations between Ze and Kolomoysky, regarding Kolo's people, that he put in charge of some CenterEnergo.
Ze had enough and kicked him out.

In fact during his latest speech on 4th of March it's very visible how much Ze is irritated by what's going on, particularly when you watch the whole scene captured by Sharij.
Watch it at 5:42, then 7:46, then 8:09, and then watch what happens at 8:34.

Zelensky is jumping up and heading straight to the clown that couldn't keep his mouth shut for the last 10 minutes, addressing Ze.

I'll explain to you what this is all about. The clown ( Goncharenko that is) represents the "European Solidarity" party, that's basically a version of "Poroshenko's Block."
So the clown is asking Zelensky, why the arrests that he promised a year ago still didn't take place.

The reason the criminal charges against Poroshenko and the rest have been put to stop, is because the current Prosecutor General Ryaboshapka, the Head of anti-corruption Bureau ( NABU) A. Sitnik (and few others I'm sure,) are West-appointed and protected people.
And that's why all the criminal procedures that Zelensky promised to implement against the previous corrupt government can't go ahead.

For the first time Zelensky was talking about the "sovereignty of Ukraine," since everyone knows by now that there is none, and the country is totally under external control.

I think Ze understands that he is cornered, and for him, throwing out that Prime-Minister Goncharuk gives at least some relief.

What he said to that other clown ( Goncharenko) when he finally found him in the crowd - we can only be guessing.

But Goncharenko sure looks concerned at this point and is trying to run after Ze, to "correct" himself, but to no avail.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOXtOkuARZo

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Old 03-05-2020, 03:04 PM
 
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More news from that part of the world;
After the Prime-minister, Zelensky sacked Prosecutor General Ryaboshapka as well.
Ryaboshapka was the man directly tied to Dem.party/IMF ( and as the rumor has it EU officials.)

Zelensky had enough of R. negotiating directly with foreigners over his head.



And again, as the rumor has it, Trump didn't mind this dismissal.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-y1C_X4b-8
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Old 03-05-2020, 03:17 PM
 
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Two scenarios for Zelensky: `` dismantling of the system '' or `` voluntary resignation '', - Sergey Gaidai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcYkUIIhEms
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Old 03-05-2020, 03:25 PM
 
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More news from that part of the world;
After the Prime-minister, Zelensky sacked Prosecutor General Ryaboshapka as well.
Ryaboshapka was the man directly tied to Dem.party/IMF ( and as the rumor has it EU officials.)

Zelensky had enough of R. negotiating directly with foreigners over his head.



And again, as the rumor has it, Trump didn't mind this dismissal.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-y1C_X4b-8
Such is the problems of corrupt governments. The politicians are simply prostitutes.
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Old 03-05-2020, 03:40 PM
 
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Such is the problems of corrupt governments. The politicians are simply prostitutes.
It's for a while or for ever?
If second I'll pack my suitcase and buy ticket to jet airliner whom heading to west.
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Old 03-05-2020, 05:50 PM
 
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It's for a while or for ever?
If second I'll pack my suitcase and buy ticket to jet airliner whom heading to west.
Some governments are worse than others. Ukraine not only has a tradition of corruption far beyond most other nations (including Russia) it's now run by a nation where corruption is part of the political DNA. Hell, the system requires it of politicians. There's no escaping it.
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Old 03-06-2020, 03:21 PM
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The optics of this change aren't good. But its hard to say ahead of time what will change as a result. Tossing out some people who were trying to reform things is reminiscent of Poroshenko's same moves. But this is all politics for now. There will always be supporters and opponents of whomever is replaced. Ukraine's currency has fallen along with these moves but lots going on in the world so its hard to say what's causing that right now.

What's more interesting today is their president declaring Putin has until December to finalize a deal on the Donbas or he will implement what I hinted at a few posts above. No doubt Russian propagandists are digesting that and will form a response when given their orders.
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Old 03-06-2020, 04:16 PM
 
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What's more interesting today is their president declaring Putin has until December to finalize a deal on the Donbas or he will implement what I hinted at a few posts above. No doubt Russian propagandists are digesting that and will form a response when given their orders.
How pathetic, how medieval. Does the wall come with a moat and will it be filled with large reptiles too? Pound a wedge between nations, between families. How's this worked in the past? How did it work for Iraq when the British did it?

The fact that the Kiev junta can't find a road to peace says a lot about the apelike mentality they apparently hold so dear.
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Old 03-07-2020, 01:40 PM
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Not a literal wall. It means treating it like a controlled border like the one with Crimea and stop offering services/funds to those in the Donbas as if they were still residents of Ukraine. The only peace offered by the Russian side is if Ukraine gives them a special status including a veto to further integrate with the West and to not disband their militias.

This presents Russia with a problem, since they were using the Donbas as pressure to keep Ukraine from further westernizing. They must not have anticipated that Ukraine will give up trying to re-secure those areas. They were once very value-able and important to the nation but not anymore...

Don't like it, not our problem.
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Old 03-07-2020, 01:54 PM
 
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Not a literal wall. It means treating it like a controlled border like the one with Crimea and stop offering services/funds to those in the Donbas as if they were still residents of Ukraine. The only peace offered by the Russian side is if Ukraine gives them a special status including a veto to further integrate with the West and to not disband their militias.

This presents Russia with a problem, since they were using the Donbas as pressure to keep Ukraine from further westernizing. They must not have anticipated that Ukraine will give up trying to re-secure those areas. They were once very value-able and important to the nation but not anymore...

Don't like it, not our problem.
It's about the most sensible solution but because of that aspect it's hard to see it happening. Had the Kiev junta any sense at all then things would have never gotten this bad. Considering the plans Russia has for the future business with the Donbas will be needed.

Best just to let them integrate back into Russia.

Really, most of your statement is just boilerplate nonsense anyway.
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