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Old 09-15-2017, 05:11 PM
DKM
 
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No.



You must look at dynamics of development of rural production in Russia for last years.
You mean like the "optimization" (closing) of rural schools and hospitals? The restoration of the tsentralny skver and the Lenin statues?

I've seen your propaganda. Just like the USSR, images of combines glorifying the Russian wheat harvest and giving all thanks to VVP. And yes I've seen it blame me and my country for Russia's economic troubles. I've also seen "news reports" telling Russians that the USA engineered the collapse of the USSR and the more recent Ukraine situation... making it our fault that Putin invaded Ukraine. Fake news indeed.
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Old 09-15-2017, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Russia
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You mean like the "optimization" (closing) of rural schools and hospitals?
No, I meant statistics. Volumes of agricultural products produced.

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The restoration of the tsentralny skver and the Lenin statues?
I remember this photo:

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/baso...7_original.jpg

It's Magadan.

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I've seen your propaganda.
My propaganda? Oh, no. Here it is propaganda (English subtitle):


https://youtu.be/T65SwzHAbes

Do you like it?

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Just like the USSR, images of combines glorifying the Russian wheat harvest and giving all thanks to VVP.
He definitely deserved compliments. And he also deserved criticism. But smart people do not change horses in a crossing.

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And yes I've seen it blame me and my country for Russia's economic troubles. I've also seen "news reports" telling Russians that the USA engineered the collapse of the USSR and the more recent Ukraine situation... making it our fault that Putin invaded Ukraine. Fake news indeed.
US made the first dangerous step in the Ukraine. It's true. Russia was not the initiator of the processes in Ukraine, but Russia took retaliatory steps.
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Old 09-15-2017, 06:13 PM
 
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It's shocking! Horrible Russian sing about Ukrainians terrible songs!


https://youtu.be/AqgNmSc43ww
They won't understand this song, but I do.
The comments under this song are a pleasure to read for the most part, coming from both Ukrainians and Russians.
People like Vasya Oblomov are the true light of the Russian soul, the guiding light. People who seek it, will find it on both sides of the conflict.
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Old 09-15-2017, 06:24 PM
 
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No, I meant statistics. Volumes of agricultural products produced.



I remember this photo:

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/baso...7_original.jpg

It's Magadan.



My propaganda? Oh, no. Here it is propaganda (English subtitle):


https://youtu.be/T65SwzHAbes

Do you like it?



He definitely deserved compliments. And he also deserved criticism. But smart people do not change horses in a crossing.



US made the first dangerous step in the Ukraine. It's true. Russia was not the initiator of the processes in Ukraine, but Russia took retaliatory steps.
Maxim, you are an optimist. This is a good thing.
I stand by my word - Putin is a bad news, but I totally agree with you that horses shouldn't be changed in the middle of the stream.

P.S. All of you who still think that cheese needs to be "smuggled" to Russia from abroad, need to watch this -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VOMY88v7iQ

(This is a version with better English subtitiles)

http://video.nationalgeographic.com/...eams-come-true

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Old 09-15-2017, 10:39 PM
 
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If it stays with Russia, it will still be a colony. Smaller countries tend to be colonies of bigger ones either way in some form or the other.
See, while Ukraine was *Russian colony,* at least Russians didn't force Ukrainians to sell their land to them.
But that's what the new overseers are insisting upon.

Ukraine crisis seen softening political ground for foreign farm land sales | Reuters

Jesus Christ, what will these people have left when all is said and done?
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Old 09-15-2017, 10:57 PM
 
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See, while Ukraine was *Russian colony,* at least Russians didn't force Ukrainians to sell their land to them.
But that's what the new overseers are insisting upon.

Ukraine crisis seen softening political ground for foreign farm land sales | Reuters

Jesus Christ, what will these people have left when all is said and done?
Look, I understand that you have trouble grasping the concept that Ukraine is a sovereign nation given that it was once part of Russia and there are a lot of historical links between the two, but guess what, history doesn't always go the way you want it to. There was a time when Greece held territory in Asia Minor (modern day Turkey) but lost it following the Ottoman conquest. The Roman Empire at the peak of its power extended all the way from England to the Middle-East. Do modern day Greece and Italy have a right to all that territory? Let me ask you one more question, if Russia has a right to the Ukraine, does it also have a right to the Stans in Central Asia or the state of Alaska?
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Old 09-15-2017, 11:07 PM
 
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Look, I understand that you have trouble grasping the concept that Ukraine is a sovereign nation given that it was once part of Russia and there are a lot of historical links between the two, but guess what, history doesn't always go the way you want it to. There was a time when Greece held territory in Asia Minor (modern day Turkey) but lost it following the Ottoman conquest. The Roman Empire at the peak of its power extended all the way from England to the Middle-East. Do modern day Greece and Italy have a right to all that territory? Let me ask you one more question, if Russia has a right to the Ukraine, does it also have a right to the Stans in Central Asia or the state of Alaska?
You are not reading my posts very well, are you?
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Old 09-16-2017, 03:24 AM
 
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US made the first dangerous step in the Ukraine. It's true. Russia was not the initiator of the processes in Ukraine, but Russia took retaliatory steps.
You know what - even if you choose to view the US as the instigator of the conflict in Ukraine, you have to admit that Russia totally fell for it. If the US set a trap for Russia in Ukraine, Russia fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Ukrainians have never been as anti-Russian or as pro-NATO as they are now. Most Ukrainians were pro-Russian and anti-NATO prior to 2014, and that's a FACT. Russia's actions have retroactively justified the Maidan revolution, even for many Ukrainians who otherwise weren't inclined to support it. That's what you get - and deserve - for waging war on your "fraternal" neighbors.
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Old 09-16-2017, 07:21 PM
 
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You know what - even if you choose to view the US as the instigator of the conflict in Ukraine, you have to admit that Russia totally fell for it. If the US set a trap for Russia in Ukraine, Russia fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Ukrainians have never been as anti-Russian or as pro-NATO as they are now. Most Ukrainians were pro-Russian and anti-NATO prior to 2014, and that's a FACT. Russia's actions have retroactively justified the Maidan revolution, even for many Ukrainians who otherwise weren't inclined to support it. That's what you get - and deserve - for waging war on your "fraternal" neighbors.
thank you for your opinion. Divorced from reality as it is it certainly is entertaining. You know what the real fact is? The vast majority of Ukrainians hold ANY government in contempt, they don't give a damn who is in Kiev so long as they have means and some kind of stability in their lives. The current junta isn't doing such a great job providing either.

Keep the nonsense to yourself.
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Old 09-16-2017, 07:23 PM
 
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You are not reading my posts very well, are you?
Black is white and whaite is black. Doublethink.
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