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Old 01-03-2018, 06:37 PM
DKM
 
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Many companies are integrated in a global supply chain system, it does not matter what they sell...many countries decide to develop military technologies in house (planes, guns or whatever) to prevent the loss of know-how.......
Or you can focus on the application of those technologies and outsource the hardware. This isn't different than the private sector approach. Here too Ukraine has inherent advantages, in its location, general education system and low costs. They can undercut Chinese labor on Europe's doorstep.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:04 PM
 
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An update on Irinas case. I guess her sisters killer is still in jail and Kiev has opened up a murder investigation.

http://news.kievukraine.info/2018/01...murder-of.html

If Irina was murdered I want the people who did it swinging. I also think the father needs to be taught who is boss, a good beating and time in a jail cell might suffice.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:24 PM
 
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Or you can focus on the application of those technologies and outsource the hardware. This isn't different than the private sector approach. Here too Ukraine has inherent advantages, in its location, general education system and low costs. They can undercut Chinese labor on Europe's doorstep.
So Ukraine can undercut some of the most poorly paid workers in the world and it's an advantage? Why don't the government go through the villages dragging people out and put them into cattle cars and ship them off to Germany? Ukrainians aren't stupid and I doubt they're desperate to go slave in a peanut factory if they have a choice.

Maybe the city types who have no choice and are desperate but they're going to have a hell of a time getting people to work for slave wages.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Very similar.....Kosovo declared, unilaterally, their independence, Crimea had a referendum.
A bullsh*t referendum not worth anything. If Cosa Nostra (an organisation you're probably familiar with) comes on your front door and on gunpoint asks for all your money, they can claim you voluntarily handed it over. As much legitimacy.

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What part of the declassified official documents are not clear to you??

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-b...-leaders-early

Need some spelling aid??

Read these documents and you get your proof....sure these promises were never codified in an actual treaty...when Yeltsin came along Russia was reduced pretty much to rubble and not in a position to negotiate anything.
I've dealt with you (Southern) Italians. You lie all the time and eat your words the second after you've said them. Why are you so attached to spoken words now, when they mean nothing to you anyway?


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Russia reaction to the Kosovo NATO campaign:

Russia strongly condemned the campaign. The president Boris Yeltsin stated that, 'Russia is deeply upset by NATO's military action against sovereign Yugoslavia, which is nothing more than open aggression.'[253] They also condemned NATO at the United Nations saying that NATO air strikes on Serbia were 'an illegal action

So Yeltsin was not exactly aboard....sure Russia was part of the peace negotiation effort later.
Oh so Yeltsin didn't like it? Well what did he do? Negotiated a peace with the people who were sober (the Finns). And then he drank some more.

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What Russian "expansionism"??
Chechnya, Chechnya II, Dagestan, Southern Ossetia, Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine.
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Old 01-04-2018, 09:07 PM
 
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A bullsh*t referendum not worth anything. If Cosa Nostra (an organisation you're probably familiar with) comes on your front door and on gunpoint asks for all your money, they can claim you voluntarily handed it over. As much legitimacy.
Nobody had a gun pointed....you are truly delusional

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I've dealt with you (Southern) Italians. You lie all the time and eat your words the second after you've said them. Why are you so attached to spoken words now, when they mean nothing to you anyway?
I'm not going to take your racist bait, your statement is not worth of any serious reply anyway.






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Chechnya, Chechnya II, Dagestan, Southern Ossetia, Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine.

Whatever....
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Old 01-05-2018, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Nobody had a gun pointed....you are truly delusional
A hastily referendum when the area is invaded by little green men and where a "no" option can't even be chosen on the ballot is worthless and a joke to democracy.
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Old 01-05-2018, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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So Ukraine can undercut some of the most poorly paid workers in the world and it's an advantage? Why don't the government go through the villages dragging people out and put them into cattle cars and ship them off to Germany? Ukrainians aren't stupid and I doubt they're desperate to go slave in a peanut factory if they have a choice.

Maybe the city types who have no choice and are desperate but they're going to have a hell of a time getting people to work for slave wages.
Ukrainians are already making less than Chinese.... A Chinese factory worker makes more than a Ukrainian factory worker.
Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe after Moldova.
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Old 01-05-2018, 12:00 PM
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Nobody had a gun pointed....you are truly delusional
https://goo.gl/images/jSUR1m


Back to Russian expansionism. Give back the islands to Japan and Konigsberg to Germany too. When Russia falls again, and it will as the current regime is unstable, only propped up by selling resources to the productive world... it will relinquish these territories it has stolen in the past 75 years.
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Old 01-05-2018, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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https://goo.gl/images/jSUR1m


Back to Russian expansionism. Give back the islands to Japan and Konigsberg to Germany too.
Why doesn't US give back the islands it got from Japan at the same time (such as Northern Mariana islands)?

Konigsberg to Germany? You are openining a can of worms here. Why doesn't Poland give back its part of Konigsberg territory back to Germany? Ukraine give back Lwow to Poland? That is discounting the fact that Germany has no territorial claims with regards to Konigsberg/East Prussia for Poland/Russia/Lithuania who currently control it.
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Old 01-05-2018, 12:44 PM
 
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Ukrainians are already making less than Chinese.... A Chinese factory worker makes more than a Ukrainian factory worker.
Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe after Moldova.
I'm not surprised at all. Ukrainians who don't move abroad to work can't make a living in most instances. I hear there are millions working abroad and I have met Ukrainians going to Alaska in order to work in the fisheries there. They pass through Seattle.

You're not going to do well treating people like crap if you want to build your economy.
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