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Constantly spinning every Ukraine related event into aligning with Russian propaganda instead of reality, doesn't make it true. Javelins and Barret 50 cals won't change much but they certainly will make Russia lose more guys if they attack Ukraine. Sort of the point, instead of the 50 different spins taking place on Russian TV this week. My favorite was the guy claiming the Russian ATGM is better (LOL!)
Last edited by DKM; 12-26-2017 at 06:28 PM..
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NATO was defensive at one time, but it hasn't been ... for at least 30 years. It has maintained the initiaitive by launching recent wars in Europe, the Middle East, and Africa.
What wars in Europe, the Middle East and Africa has NATO started?
Exactly. Not a single one.
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Originally Posted by erasure
As long as Russia remained weak, that may well have been the case. As if to press home the point, Clinton’s successors even toyed with the idea of inviting Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO—more or less the equivalent of incorporating Cuba and Mexico into the Warsaw Pact back in the bad old days."
Georgia and Ukraine won't be in NATO during your lifetime.
What wars in Europe, the Middle East and Africa has NATO started?
Nice try. The US is NATO. The nature of war has changed, its not huge armies of millions of men marching across the landscape like in your neck of the woods in WWII. Its more about armies of mercenaries, contract soldiers and volunteer militias and clandestine games now. NATO is in the thick of it but it's just not visible as are MI6 the FSB and anyone else who wants in on the fun and profit. The west causes plenty of mayhem and are responsible for many millions of deaths in the last century.
The rebel forces assembled in these wars are essentially irregular army. It becomes patently obvious when they receive air support from NATO as in Kosovo, Libya, and Syria. When you field 600,000 men to overthrow the government of Syria, there has to be a significant amount of coordination in the battlefield among the forces by foreign governments. In addition to setting up NATO command and control centers in Jordan and Turkey for the war, they embedded special military within the rebel units to facilitate the coordination.
It was also reported in the British press after the fall of Ghaddafi in Libya. The British and French military, in addition to other governments, set up training camps for rebels in Eastern Libya and had officers embedded with their units in the battlefield.
The approach of assembling insurgents under the command of embedded military officers was chronicled long ago by a British officer in The Seven Pillars of Wisdom.
Every country that joins NATO is out of Russian control so obviously Russia is against the expansion of NATO. This applies to the remaining former slave states of the USSR. What they did in Moldova worked, so similar scenarios played out in Georgia and Ukraine. Is it a coincidence that other than Belarus, all 5 of former USSR countries west of the Caspian Sea have disputed territories? Crimea was the Russian anchor of Ukraine so when Russia annexed it, they needed a new anchor and thus fake Donetsk Republic was born.
A more recent trend has been to play the Arab Spring Revolts as if they were sponsored by NATO if only because NATO finally intervened to stop Gadhaffi from massacring Libyans further than he already did (and threatened to do in Benghazi). The greatest irony has been to blame NATO for wars Russia itself started (Ukraine, Georgia) or that Russia has indirectly caused (support for Assad's tyranny when the UN wanted to broker peace with a new type of representative government). But that's what this is all really about, stopping the spread of democracy and its threat to the old order of rulers in Russia.
Serbia started the Breakup of Yugoslavia war. And it also started the Kosovo war. The US started the 2nd Iraq war. Britain and France started the Libyan War, and Assad the Syrian Civil War.
Every country that joins NATO is out of Russian control so obviously Russia is against the expansion of NATO. This applies to the remaining former slave states of the USSR. What they did in Moldova worked, so similar scenarios played out in Georgia and Ukraine. Is it a coincidence that other than Belarus, all 5 of former USSR countries west of the Caspian Sea have disputed territories? Crimea was the Russian anchor of Ukraine so when Russia annexed it, they needed a new anchor and thus fake Donetsk Republic was born.
Why isn't Russia allowed in NATO? I'll tell you. If Russia was in NATO the US would have a competitor in the leadership of the organization. Also NATO would have a hard time justifying it's expense to the smaller powers therefore adversely affecting the MIC of the west. There are other lesser reasons.
In short NATO likes people afraid, especially people like you. NATO needs a big antagonist so that people like you are obedient and pay on time.
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