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Re: MH17, the bus attacks, the bombings, the killings, the murders, the daycare building, the killings of unarmed civilians, the deaths at Maidan , the shootings, the executions, the betrayals, the loyalties.....and the hatreds imbued with more hatred
This cannot be the 'Russian' way. Or perhaps it is? A look at history perhaps will say maybe ' par for the course'?
Travric, say... you don't call Ukrainians "Russians" - do you???
Situation? It's not rocket science. Putler supplied the heroic separatists with a ground to air ballistic weapon system, which they fired at a civilian airplane before the smartest of the separatists figured out, that they should probably identify what they were about to shoot down.
The result is three hundred dead, and a West that is pretty determined to uphold the sanctions until toilet paper is a luxury good in Russia, or when Putler resign/abdicate.
It's actually pretty simple.
This is the best posting in this thread. It explains the issue perfectly.
The solution is also perfectly simple. Russia can stop its invasion of Ukraine, and leave all occupied lands. Then the sanctions can be removed and Russia can re-enter the global community. Until then, no.
This is the best posting in this thread. It explains the issue perfectly.
The solution is also perfectly simple. Russia can stop its invasion of Ukraine, and leave all occupied lands. Then the sanctions can be removed and Russia can re-enter the global community. Until then, no.
Interesting, if Russia really attacked Ukraine, why Ukrainian government didn't break diplomatic relations with Russia?
The solution is also perfectly simple. Russia can stop its invasion of Ukraine, and leave all occupied lands. Then the sanctions can be removed and Russia can re-enter the global community. Until then, no.
Alright Dentist, give me the invasion date please. When did the Russian ARMY cross the Ukrainian border? The Crimea doesn't count, Russia had a legitimate contract to maintain military facilities there along with certain troop levels. In the civilized world a contract must be honored and enforced.
What day did the RUSSIAN ARMY cross the border?
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This is the best posting in this thread. It explains the issue perfectly.
It's insipid swill. Lends nothing to the conversation.
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Termination of diplomatic relations
- Termination of the official political contacts between countries comes as a result of:
1) the termination of the actual maintenance of diplomatic relations without their official break (through mutual recall States diplomatic missions of its staff),
2) severance of diplomatic relations,
3) war between the states of belligerency;
And more about other consequences which entail the beginning of the war:
- The outbreak of war means the end of the peaceful relations between belligerents, which entails the rupture of diplomatic and, as a rule, consular relations.
- Representation of a belligerent State and its citizens in another outsourced to third, usually neutral, state which maintains diplomatic relations with both the warring states.
- The outbreak of war affect the validity of international agreements binding the belligerents. Political, economic and other agreements designed for peacetime, cease to have effect.
So if Russia attacked Ukraine, events should unfold as described above, but it doesn't. Despite unsubstantiated complaints of Ukrainian government about presence of Russian army in my city and another parts of DPR and LPR, Ukraine continues to buy gas from Russia and talks about other types of supplies. Moreover the current president of Ukraine has confectionery factory in Lipetsk (Russia) and feels ok about bysiness in the aggressor country
I am well aware of the events of the last thirteen months in Donbass, and what led to them. Russian aggression... an end to the Russian invasion and sponsor of separatist terrorism.
Mi amigo, you are 100% wrong on all counts!
Just read my posts for some dozen links detailing the Fascist Ukrainian junta actions in Donbas. All articles written by western and American writers.
The party of the neo-Nazi fascist coup leaders, namely Svoboda, which had received less than 2% of the vote overthrew by military force a legitimately democratically elected president. Or were you not aware that Ukraine did in fact have a democracy, not a Czar or a King? BTW, last time that happened was 1933 when one Adolf Hitler took power.
Yanukovich won the election fair and square. He was right not to ally with the EU or accept Euro as currency. The EU is a dump; just witness the protests in England, Greece, Spain, Italy.
Then, the king of the chocolate trade send his fascist army into Eastern Ukraine because the (mostly) Russian speakers there did not accept the coup nor Poroshenko as their Pres. Hooray for them!
Ukraine lost 1.2m people who fled into Russia; and they aint comin' back folks.
Poroshenko signed peace agreements in Minsk, then just days later he broke them by accepting heavy weaponry from Poland and Lithuania. Now that the junta Ukrainian army is beaten out of Donetsk airport, perhaps the entire Eastern Ukraine could be free of them, and split away from the Fascists in Kiev.
Ukraine right now looks like it has one hand and one leg tied up because of Russian interference. Nothing will happen unless it is eased. Perpetual war will be the fact.
Russian interference? Hmmm. Yanukovich once said in a speech that Ukraine is a bridge between Russia and Europe. Doesn't that make sense to you at all? Isn't keeping relations with Russia (Ukraines major economic partner in the region) amicable a good thing for the Ukraine?
Last year Yanukovich POSTPONED initiating the EU agreement they had been working on. Russia made an offer with the usual perks (16 billion in loans and cheap gas ect) in what was kind of a bargaining affair. Yanukovich wanted to work something out that all 3 parties would benefit from. I think it was the best position Ukraine could dream of having and the best possible solution to the situation.
Do you remember that the EU said our way or no way? Do you know what happened in February of last year?
The WEST interfered in Ukraine. Negotiation, compromise, communication - CIVILIZED DEMOCRACY was thrown out the window in favor of war, strife, dissension, intimidation and oppression of the will of the people.
Don't go accusing Russia of interference when of all parties involved they've been to most civilized of the whole lot. I'd say too civilized to this point. You need to keep in mind you're dealing with some of the worst.
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