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Old 06-30-2021, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Yesterday I got a second satellite vaccination.What can I tell you, people are much more actively vaccinated, I was standing in line at the clinic,for a while.

At the same time,in my environment, half of my friends have been vaccinated and half doubt whether it is necessary at all.

The essence of the doubt is that Covid 19 is not so terrible to be vaccinated around which there are so many conversations and horror stories.And in general, COVID 19 does not exist,it is a fiction.

There is really a flurry of horror stories,this propaganda is carried on the Internet from any comments.Even under the cats they manage.
Everything is on the list of fears. From the fact that from vaccination infertility and cancer and to chipping and towers five ji )) Some not very smart people who do not have education,right with foam at the mouth can prove to you that the horror is terrible , that vaccination is a little worse and scarier than some strong poison or a chemotherapy drug.
In general, everything is filled with this nonsense now.

At the same time , people, including several of my friends who have been ill ,now have big health problems.There are a lot of side diseases, some of which have become very acute.
Now they regret that they were not vaccinated and actively approve of those who are being vaccinated (this is about my friends)

In general ,in general, life has returned to normal, the only thing that we wear masks in shopping centers and public places.This is where all the differences end
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Old 06-30-2021, 12:49 AM
 
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I was looking on-line today for the reasons why the vaccination in Russia was so low.

What I saw there for explanations, took me by surprise to be honest.

"The first mistakes that brought such low percent of the vaccinated, were made at the very beginning of the pandemics, when Europe was already implementing the first restrictions, while on Russian Federal TV channels the experts were telling Russian public that it was all not serious, that it was not worse than your regular flue and nothing should be done for that.

People took note of it.

Then all of a sudden the tough lockdown came, which was lifted as well before the voting ( for the amendments to the constitution.)

This inconsistency brought a lot of mistrust to the whole "pandemic" thing."


https://www.dw.com/ru/pochemu-v-rf-p...ija/a-58004313


What's even worse - ( I saw that in another article,) is that while describing the side effects of Pfizer and Moderna, Russian authorities were probably trying to point at the superiority of Sputnik V, but as the result of it, Russians became concerned of the possible side effects of ALL vaccines, thus trying to avoid them all.

So yeah...

It's definitely NOT what DKM was wrongly insisting on here; the percentage of people that decline Russian vaccine and would like to be vaccinated with "Western vaccine" is relatively small. It's the potential side effect of them ALL - that's what scares Russians away.

Plus no incentives at all comparably to, say Germany ( this specialist was writing from there.)
While in Germany vaccination sets people free from constant testing ( just an example,) in Russia, where there is no limitations that exist in Western countries, there is no incentive for people to vaccinate.

( Yet another surprise for me, because from afar it looked like they DID have a lot of limitations.)
Now About 20% admitted that if the vaccination would allow them to travel ( abroad I assume) - they'd be more motivated to get vaccination.

So the fear of the side effects of ALL vaccines and not taking Covid seriously enough, because of the initial governmental approach explains why, in spite of the availability less than 10% of Russians got vaccinated.

At least by now I understand somewhat the comments that couple of people I know made in their correspondence regarding Covid.

It sounded that they regarded it as some kind of conspiracy and I couldn't understand why/where they've got this idea and so on.
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Old 06-30-2021, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Russia
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Originally Posted by erasure View Post
^

I was looking on-line today for the reasons why the vaccination in Russia was so low.

What I saw there for explanations, took me by surprise to be honest.

"The first mistakes that brought such low percent of the vaccinated, were made at the very beginning of the pandemics, when Europe was already implementing the first restrictions, while on Russian Federal TV channels the experts were telling Russian public that it was all not serious, that it was not worse than your regular flue and nothing should be done for that.

People took note of it.

Then all of a sudden the tough lockdown came, which was lifted as well before the voting ( for the amendments to the constitution.)

This inconsistency brought a lot of mistrust to the whole "pandemic" thing."


https://www.dw.com/ru/pochemu-v-rf-p...ija/a-58004313


What's even worse - ( I saw that in another article,) is that while describing the side effects of Pfizer and Moderna, Russian authorities were probably trying to point at the superiority of Sputnik V, but as the result of it, Russians became concerned of the possible side effects of ALL vaccines, thus trying to avoid them all.

So yeah...

It's definitely NOT what DKM was wrongly insisting on here; the percentage of people that decline Russian vaccine and would like to be vaccinated with "Western vaccine" is relatively small. It's the potential side effect of them ALL - that's what scares Russians away.

Plus no incentives at all comparably to, say Germany ( this specialist was writing from there.)
While in Germany vaccination sets people free from constant testing ( just an example,) in Russia, where there is no limitations that exist in Western countries, there is no incentive for people to vaccinate.

( Yet another surprise for me, because from afar it looked like they DID have a lot of limitations.)
Now About 20% admitted that if the vaccination would allow them to travel ( abroad I assume) - they'd be more motivated to get vaccination.

So the fear of the side effects of ALL vaccines and not taking Covid seriously enough, because of the initial governmental approach explains why, in spite of the availability less than 10% of Russians got vaccinated.

At least by now I understand somewhat the comments that couple of people I know made in their correspondence regarding Covid.

It sounded that they regarded it as some kind of conspiracy and I couldn't understand why/where they've got this idea and so on.
Yes, it's simple. If the covid 19 epidemic does not concern you in any way and does not affect your life, then there is no special point in vaccination.

I understand that in Europe and the United States without vaccination, you simply will not be able to go to work or somewhere else? Do I understand correctly?

Каковы ваши ограничения, если вы не вакцинированы?Personal, blocking, mass blocking ?
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Old 06-30-2021, 01:40 AM
 
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Yes, it's simple. If the covid 19 epidemic does not concern you in any way and does not affect your life, then there is no special point in vaccination.

I understand that in Europe and the United States without vaccination, you simply will not be able to go to work or somewhere else? Do I understand correctly?

Каковы ваши ограничения, если вы не вакцинированы?Personal, blocking, mass blocking ?

I hear different things from different parts of the country.
In some places people are told to vaccinate ( from what I understand) or else, when they work in hospitals for example. ( The question of what's "volunteerly" and what's not in this situation becomes really questionable I'd say.

So what goes under the category "recommended" elsewhere, is a big question for me, since I live in the boonies.

But where I live, people vaccinate en mass, volunteerly so.
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Old 06-30-2021, 05:34 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Two tone bands! What are your recommendations.

This is more old school, but more familiar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QptZ8tYZAkE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asGMXouspx4
Two Tone is cut from the same cloth as Ska, it came about in the English midlands from the 70's/ early 80's from a kind of Mod/Reggae mix, it was a product of the young descendants of the Windrush generation and their forefathers reggae influence mixed with the Mod/Punk influences of the time. I guess the most famous Two Tone bands are The Specials, Madness, Bad Manners and stuff like that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de2g45uTMI8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBLyFj4xkiY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLLL1KxpYMA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCi_irINkBc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmezIIrFQmY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=medasoiCFiA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cntvEDbagAw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwIe_sjKeAY


Some of the 'old' classics all a bit 'dated' now for sure but I like the sound and I like the way that they never took themselves too seriously.
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Old 06-30-2021, 12:39 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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Originally Posted by erasure View Post
^

I was looking on-line today for the reasons why the vaccination in Russia was so low.

What I saw there for explanations, took me by surprise to be honest.

"The first mistakes that brought such low percent of the vaccinated, were made at the very beginning of the pandemics, when Europe was already implementing the first restrictions, while on Russian Federal TV channels the experts were telling Russian public that it was all not serious, that it was not worse than your regular flue and nothing should be done for that.

People took note of it.

Then all of a sudden the tough lockdown came, which was lifted as well before the voting ( for the amendments to the constitution.)

This inconsistency brought a lot of mistrust to the whole "pandemic" thing."


https://www.dw.com/ru/pochemu-v-rf-p...ija/a-58004313


What's even worse - ( I saw that in another article,) is that while describing the side effects of Pfizer and Moderna, Russian authorities were probably trying to point at the superiority of Sputnik V, but as the result of it, Russians became concerned of the possible side effects of ALL vaccines, thus trying to avoid them all.

So yeah...

It's definitely NOT what DKM was wrongly insisting on here; the percentage of people that decline Russian vaccine and would like to be vaccinated with "Western vaccine" is relatively small. It's the potential side effect of them ALL - that's what scares Russians away.

Plus no incentives at all comparably to, say Germany ( this specialist was writing from there.)
While in Germany vaccination sets people free from constant testing ( just an example,) in Russia, where there is no limitations that exist in Western countries, there is no incentive for people to vaccinate.

( Yet another surprise for me, because from afar it looked like they DID have a lot of limitations.)
Now About 20% admitted that if the vaccination would allow them to travel ( abroad I assume) - they'd be more motivated to get vaccination.

So the fear of the side effects of ALL vaccines and not taking Covid seriously enough, because of the initial governmental approach explains why, in spite of the availability less than 10% of Russians got vaccinated.

At least by now I understand somewhat the comments that couple of people I know made in their correspondence regarding Covid.

It sounded that they regarded it as some kind of conspiracy and I couldn't understand why/where they've got this idea and so on.
On much of this you may be right. Like you I did more research too and my Russian friends also tell me they wouldn't take western vaccines either (many of them have been infected). It was just one who did, so they went to Estonia and got it there.

Some parts of Europe allow Russian tourists with Sputnik vaccines but most countries do not accept it for a tourist to be counted as "vaccinated".

So hopefully this wave will convince more people to take vaccines and I hope Sputnik works well enough against the current variant. Because if it does not, they are screwed.

As Turist pointed out, Ukraine is likely in trouble soon since even less people there are willing to be vaccinated so far. You were wrong however that having Sputnik available would have changed this willingness. Having a 4th option would not bring 50% more people on board. Sadly it will take another wave to get people focused on it, because for now the virus is not bad there and they forgot about it already.
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Old 07-01-2021, 01:42 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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No good news today, Russian covid deaths hit a record again with 80% of them occurring outisde of Moscow. Germany has announced closure of borders to Russians to prevent variants from spreading (good luck).

More Russians want the vaccine now but there are shortages. Countries that ordered Sputnik are not getting the doses they paid for and at least one is asking for a refund. Argentina is looking at Astra Zeneca to replacing the 2nd shots of Sputnik that they are unable to provide people. So much for the "vaccine for all of mankind?" That's what happens when you mix arrogance with ignorance....

Moscow is offering booster shots to Russians who were vaccinated last winter. No data is shared with the world, but it appears the efficacy wears off after six months?

There are now 151,000 Russians in the hospital with covid, up from 130,000 just last weekend.
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Old 07-01-2021, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Even in the US, Russians are avoiding the vaccine, at least of those I know, and I’m guilty of it myself.
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Old 07-01-2021, 07:12 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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Even in the US, Russians are avoiding the vaccine, at least of those I know, and I’m guilty of it myself.
yes, every Russian I know in the US also won't get it. I thought they were all about medical science and such? The USSR was known or making and taking vaccines.
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Old 07-01-2021, 08:38 PM
 
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yes, every Russian I know in the US also won't get it. I thought they were all about medical science and such? The USSR was known or making and taking vaccines.

Once Russia went ahead with the "wild capitalism," the general level of education in the country went down.

You didn't know that?

"Free market" does not value quality education "for the masses."
It sells it for a price.
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