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thanks for the music videos, some interesting stuff there, I have to be honest I don't like rap music at all, good stuff but just not my thing. Does Russia have any two tone bands? They're a bit 'dated' now of course but its a music genre I like, its not the only genre I like though, I like all sorts of stuff from the Stones to Amy Whinehouse and lots of the 'inbetweens'.
Probably because there are a lot of conspiracies flying around about the virus. That was a major problem in the United States as well, which, just like Russia is full of people who believe and peddle conspiracy theories. That’s also the case with places like Brazil and India, and obviously to a lesser extent many other countries.
MWR...
Don't try to talk any common sense into him.
He is driven by hatred towards Russia as the rest of Ukrainian nationalists, so he can't think rationally.
I have to say I don't remember how things went exactly for UK with the first wave timewise, but I was watching Russia ( and China) closely in this respect, way earlier than Covid became a thing in the US.
So when it was already raging in China back in January of 2020, and the traffic kept on going on the Russian/Chinese border, it didn't affect Russians.
Not only that, the Russians evacuated from WUHAN out of all places, the whole plane of them, were not affected at all. Not a single person out of 50 or so was infected. ( They all stayed in quarantine for the next two weeks.)
But what hit Russians hard, is when they started returning from Europe to Moscow ( since these are the initial international gates of Russia.)
And from Moscow it started spreading in other regions, with people traveling from there.
So it was a different strand that affected them, not the original one in China.
And now this is yet another strand, that comes across as even more dangerous than the previous one.
So I am looking at two factors now;
That Russians are undervaccinated - that's a given. ( It looks like many of them think of Covid as some type of conspiracy ( I am not sure conspiracy of what kind.)
So the government started enforcing it now, and there was already a protest staged by certain fraction of the Communist party (I think I saw a report that about 1,000 people or so came out with that protest couple of days ago. The leader of that fraction is now kicked out from the party by Zuyganov I think.)
And the second concern - obviously, will the Sputnik V hold on against that new strand (with all the effort the government is putting now to vaccinate the population.)
And of course I am all worried now, whether this particular strand will hit the US as well.
Then how did Moscow get the indian variant? It wasn't from Europe this time...
Why worry about it hitting the US? Since we are better vaccinated, this isn't going to be some big deal here outside of a few areas. Deaths aren't rising here or in the UK even as the variant takes hold. Russia on the other hand, is a disaster.
They have had plenty of access to the vaccines for 6 months already. And still not even 15% vaccinated? That is the worst rate in the world (with enough supplies).
Why do 85% of Russians not trust their own vaccine? What is the purpose of Russia not allowing vaccines to be used that are approved by the EMA? To pretend theirs is better while people suffer and die needlessly?
You have to see what countries Russia opened the borders with lately, because obviously the epicenter of this new infection is Moscow again.
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Why worry about it hitting the US? Since we are better vaccinated, this isn't going to be some big deal here outside of a few areas.
Because I don't see how this new strand will pass the US.
And "few areas?"
I hope the vaccine will hold against this new strand.
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Deaths aren't rising here or in the UK even as the variant takes hold. Russia on the other hand, is a disaster.
They have had plenty of access to the vaccines for 6 months already. And still not even 15% vaccinated? That is the worst rate in the world (with enough supplies).
Why do 85% of Russians not trust their own vaccine? What is the purpose of Russia not allowing vaccines to be used that are approved by the EMA? To pretend theirs is better while people suffer and die needlessly?
Then how did Moscow get the indian variant? It wasn't from Europe this time...
Why worry about it hitting the US? Since we are better vaccinated, this isn't going to be some big deal here outside of a few areas. Deaths aren't rising here or in the UK even as the variant takes hold. Russia on the other hand, is a disaster.
They have had plenty of access to the vaccines for 6 months already. And still not even 15% vaccinated? That is the worst rate in the world (with enough supplies).
Why do 85% of Russians not trust their own vaccine? What is the purpose of Russia not allowing vaccines to be used that are approved by the EMA? To pretend theirs is better while people suffer and die needlessly?
Drama queen. Most Russians take the same stance outlined by Tourist. They it seems they're just more independent minded types unlike the sheeple of America. It's a character trait quite evident for experienced people.
Because I don't see how this new strand will pass the US.
And "few areas?"
But we already know from Israel and the UK where the delta is hitting. It is not increasing deaths and hospitalizations in either country, unlike Russia which is still getting worse every day now. The difference is they are using more higher quality vaccines. We will be fine too, although some areas in the US are illiterate and have lower protection rates so they will continue to see it cause problems.
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Who told you so?
Making things up as usual?
Russians I know told me so. Everyone knows someone who already got a fake certificate there. You would know this too if you knew anyone in Moscow.
Why else would they not take it if they trust it? 85% refused the vaccine, that's a fact.
But we already know from Israel and the UK where the delta is hitting. It is not increasing deaths and hospitalizations in either country, unlike Russia which is still getting worse every day now. The difference is they are using more higher quality vaccines. We will be fine too, although some areas in the US are illiterate and have lower protection rates so they will continue to see it cause problems.
But what is the percentage of the vaccination there?
Compare that to Russia.
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Russians I know told me so. Everyone knows someone who already got a fake certificate there. You would know this too if you knew anyone in Moscow.
Why else would they not take it if they trust it? 85% refused the vaccine, that's a fact.
Ukrainians *you know* are telling you a lot of things too.
But for the most part the information you get form them is wrong.
And it's not because *your friends* are lying you - no, it's because you deal with certain group of people in both countries that don't represent the wide spectrum of opinions.
Only certain kind of opinions, that's close to your own.
That's why I personally do not exactly rely on the info my friends ( in Moscow first of all) supply me with.
I am looking at the broader picture.
So no, to make the long story short - it's a lie that "85% of Russians refuse the Russian vaccine, because they don't trust it's quality."
I understand that you are still trying to insist that Americans were correct, when they prohibited Ukrainians to use Russian vaccine, while promising them to supply the "western" one, of the "highest quality" ( by what? 2024?) making people to die needlessly and depriving them of any choice.
But in Russia?
Now they are FORCED to vaccinate ( being scared of this new wave, or because they've been told to do so by the government.)
And the fact that the Communists ( out of all people) already staged the protest, is telling me that the picture is more complicated than I thought.
Because the Communists wouldn't stage the protest, demanding the "superior Western vaccine" over the Russian one.
*Highly unlikely.*
But what is the percentage of the vaccination there?
Compare that to Russia.
4 times as much.
Every country that deployed mostly Sputnik vaccines has struggled with breakthrough infections.
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That's why I personally do not exactly rely on the info my friends ( in Moscow first of all) supply me with.
Oh yeah, ignore what Russians in Moscow say. Probably why I have different opinions of Russia than you is I do rely on Russians I know in and from Moscow. And my generation is not agreeing with you on a lot of things...
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I am looking at the broader picture.
So no, to make the long story short - it's a lie that "85% of Russians refuse the Russian vaccine, because they don't trust it's quality."
You have yet to offer a reason why 85% of them have not taken Sputnik. Its been available for over 6 months... If it is a "lie" then explain the reason they don't take it. I am told, by everyone I know there, nobody trusts it. Prove me/them wrong. Should be easy...
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I understand that you are still trying to insist that Americans were correct, when they prohibited Ukrainians to use Russian vaccine, while promising them to supply the "western" one, of the "highest quality" ( by what? 2024?) making people to die needlessly and depriving them of any choice.
Americans never did this. Ukraine decided to approve only vaccines that the EMA did. Just like nearly every country in the EU. You are making this about America because you can't stand a European aligned Ukraine.
You say Ukrainians are dying for not having the choice of Russian vaccines, but you deny Russians are dying due to not having the choice of Western vaccines. Yet Russia is the country where people are dying by a lot more right now.
You over estimate Ukrainian willingness to take the unapproved Russian vaccine over the EMA ones, without any evidence, as usual. Anyone I know in Ukraine (since you brought it up) who are getting vaccinated are doing it so they can travel to Europe this summer. Something they could not do with an unapproved vaccine like Sputnik.
Every country that deployed mostly Sputnik vaccines has struggled with breakthrough infections.
Oh yeah, ignore what Russians in Moscow say. Probably why I have different opinions of Russia than you is I do rely on Russians I know in and from Moscow. And my generation is not agreeing with you on a lot of things...
You have yet to offer a reason why 85% of them have not taken Sputnik. Its been available for over 6 months... If it is a "lie" then explain the reason they don't take it. I am told, by everyone I know there, nobody trusts it. Prove me/them wrong. Should be easy...
Americans never did this. Ukraine decided to approve only vaccines that the EMA did. Just like nearly every country in the EU. You are making this about America because you can't stand a European aligned Ukraine.
You say Ukrainians are dying for not having the choice of Russian vaccines, but you deny Russians are dying due to not having the choice of Western vaccines. Yet Russia is the country where people are dying by a lot more right now.
You over estimate Ukrainian willingness to take the unapproved Russian vaccine over the EMA ones, without any evidence, as usual. Anyone I know in Ukraine (since you brought it up) who are getting vaccinated are doing it so they can travel to Europe this summer. Something they could not do with an unapproved vaccine like Sputnik.
Yes, less than one percent of the population is vaccinated in Ukraine. So DKM, leave your nonsense.
Yes, and your poor, defeated and raped by the West Ukraine. here in Russia, no one needs it at all.
You look very funny when you write that we are so jealous of European Ukraine that we can't even sleep. Yes, yes. I wonder what kind of morons this argument is designed for?
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