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Neither the Americans nor the British have absolutely no moral right to accuse Russia of anything. Nations that, in their entire history, have destroyed MILLIONS of people all over the planet, who have destroyed to the ground thousands of cities, whose hands are up to the elbows in blood. You MUST sit quietly in your corner and be silent in a rag while Russia cleans up after you the crap that you spilled in Ukraine.
First, a lot of what you say is true. However, what's not true is that because a person or a nation has done bad things, that they have no right to speak up when they see wrong things being done.
Secondly, it is a very hard thing for many people to accept, that the country they love can be so very wrong in a thing. It's like someone has criticized your mother.
But, once you get past that idea, you see you can love your mother, and still acknowledge the wrongs your mother has done.
There are just too many countries who are against Putin in this matter, for you not to recalculate what you have been told about the situation in Ukraine. Ukraine is far from perfect. It is still a sovereign country and Putin is still crazy. This isn't really about Russia. It's about Putin. Thousands of your countrymen agree.
Russia agreed with the Iraq war at the UN (partly because Putin had his own muslims he wanted to squash and perhaps to weaken American power long term).
There is international law. Putin and Russia are breaking international law. Even if you hate the Iraq war (like I do and did), it was legal.
Law is what keeps us from every country for itself.
Russia agreed with the Iraq war at the UN (partly because Putin had his own muslims he wanted to squash and perhaps to weaken American power long term).
There is international law. Putin and Russia are breaking international law. Even if you hate the Iraq war (like I do and did), it was legal.
Law is what keeps us from every country for itself.
And what is the legitimacy, let me ask?
Was the whole "legality" based on Powell's false accusations, with some sort of vial of laundry detergent?
Allegedly, there is WMD in Iraq.. So how? Did you find this WMD? No, they didn’t find it .. But on the other hand, they turned a sovereign country into ruins and made a profit in the form of pumped out Iraqi oil. In fact, oil was the very "legitimate" reason.
And what is the legitimacy, let me ask?
Was the whole "legality" based on Powell's false accusations, with some sort of vial of laundry detergent?
Allegedly, there is WMD in Iraq.. So how? Did you find this WMD? No, they didn’t find it .. But on the other hand, they turned a sovereign country into ruins and made a profit in the form of pumped out Iraqi oil. In fact, oil was the very "legitimate" reason.
This is the justification for committing acts of war and invading Ukraine? Russia signed an agreement with Ukraine to defend the country if it gave up its nuclear weapons. And now? It is committing acts of war and war crimes despite that agreement.
And what is the legitimacy, let me ask?
Was the whole "legality" based on Powell's false accusations, with some sort of vial of laundry detergent?
Allegedly, there is WMD in Iraq.. So how? Did you find this WMD? No, they didn’t find it .. But on the other hand, they turned a sovereign country into ruins and made a profit in the form of pumped out Iraqi oil. In fact, oil was the very "legitimate" reason.
Legal and legitimate are not the same exact word or meaning...
Legal is important though....I am sure you want something very different for Ukraine than I do....and so does Putin and so does Biden....and so does my baker...
Who decides? well, through the lessons of history we know we can't allow individual countries to decide. We are all (as countries and individuals) too partisan. So international law has rules against one country unilaterally changing the map.
The fact that the war in Iraq was legal is important...it keeps the pre-wwI world at bay somewhat. Countries used to redraw the map at every opportunity.
You can say America had too much power in the United Nations...but again, Russia went along with it and they didn't have too. There is a long history of Russia using its veto to stop American foreign policy moves (the fact that they didn't stop the Korean war because they were boycotting over Taiwan/China issue is still a big exception in the longer run of things...)
You still haven't answered the question why war in Iraq was legal..
The Iraq War was ILLEGAL and that is why it was changed into "the coalition of the willing" and GWB squandered whatever goodwill he might have saved over 9/11. There were protests everywhere. Canada did not take part in that war.
The Iraq War was ILLEGAL and that is why it was changed into "the coalition of the willing" and GWB squandered whatever goodwill he might have saved over 9/11. There were protests everywhere. Canada did not take part in that war.
You still haven't answered the question why war in Iraq was legal..
The war received the requisite pro votes (or abstentions) to pass the UN resolution for war. The war did not break the rules of the Geneva convention (illegal weapons such as gas etc.).
You might say countries were deceived by the (missing or nonexistent) WMDs. I think that is true. But that doesn't make it illegal. Unfortunately, there is no legal international recourse to revote a war passage after the fact. International courts are different from national courts in this way. You can imagine a person being recharged for lying to a court. But it is hard to do this on an international level. These courts are not so nimble and precise. Its also impossible to take back a war once it has started (no do overs). It is an important point also that the Americans left with the country and borders intact (which is not what Putin wants in Ukraine).
Again legal and legitimate are different. In the minds of many (including me) it was an unjust war. I believe only when a country is attacked by an equal or superior force should they fight. But international law doesn't care what I think.
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