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Old 08-16-2018, 11:29 AM
DKM
 
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Kazakhs originally were nomadic people, so all these ...all the oil industry, infrastructure - it was all built by Russians for them...


LOL thanks I needed a laugh to start my day.
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Old 08-16-2018, 12:44 PM
 
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LOL thanks I needed a laugh to start my day.
Кazakhstan during Tzarist Empire times;

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A...azakh_yurt.jpg


https://www.kondor-tour.kz/galleries/76.jpg


This is the construction of the capital of Kazakhstan - Alma-Ata in 1935. ( As you can see Russian engineers and workers are all over the place, side by side with the Kazakhs.)
And as you can see, a lot of Kazakhs of younger generation are already joining in - in education, in new jobs, in new opportunities - you name it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmEvjRnDOUs

( It' all as true as Stalin's purges and the rest - it's just one side of history is constantly regurgitated, while the other doesn't get any attention. But they BOTH are true.)


And this is Alma-Ata of the sixties; ( they discuss there among other things the protection of the city from avalanches and earthquakes.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USL4XkNeLHg


Russians did A lot of good for development of Central Asia and Caucasus, but all you can hear about is how they "suppressed poor Balts and massacred poor Ukrainians."

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Old 08-16-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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And the last but not least; this is the distant past of Kazakhstan;



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq3eQI34zNw



But Dombra is still their national instrument



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzSSuLRwEuw
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Old 08-16-2018, 02:00 PM
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Sure but their oil production is mostly a result of partnering with Western oil majors for investment and technology. Soviets knew how to tap the easy stuff in Baku and western Siberia.

Its easy to point at any country and say look how far they've come in a 100 years thanks to X. Change and advancement was coming no matter who was in charge. Russia would not today still be a agrarian state if Stalin never took control, etc.

Astana wasn't built by the Russians either
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Old 08-16-2018, 05:20 PM
 
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I keep seeing things out of the corner of my eye. Just a little here and a little there. I really think that Germany is getting sick and tired of the US along with many others.

TASS: World - Merkel
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Old 08-16-2018, 05:35 PM
 
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One needs to consider what the Soviet Union poured into Eastern Europe also, Most of those countries (especially Poland) were all but leveled. Warsaw was wreckage.
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Old 08-16-2018, 05:43 PM
 
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TU-22 M3M Rolled out.

TASS: Military & Defense - New bomber Tupolev-22M3M presented in Kazan
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:54 PM
 
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Sure but their oil production is mostly a result of partnering with Western oil majors for investment and technology. Soviets knew how to tap the easy stuff in Baku and western Siberia.
Let's see here...

OIL IN KAZAKHSTAN | Facts and Details


"Although Kazakhstan became an oil producer in 1911, its production did not increase to a meaningful level until the 1960s and 1970s, when production plateaued at nearly 500,000 barrels a day , a pre-Soviet independence record production level.[/b] Since the mid-1990s and with the help of major international oil companies, Kazakhstan's production first exceeded 1 million barrels a day in 2003.<>"



So one more time; if it were not for Russians, Kazakhs would have remained your typical third world country, and there would have been no one to "partner with."

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Its easy to point at any country and say look how far they've come in a 100 years thanks to X. Change and advancement was coming no matter who was in charge.

You think so?

This is just an example. And here is yet another one.

So should we still continue talking about the *inevitable* "change an advancement," no matter "who is in charge?"


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Russia would not today still be a agrarian state if Stalin never took control, etc.
BUT-but-but... Stalin is a murdered of 300 million Russians)))

Are you saying that without him Russia would have remained "an agrarian state" - a low-hanging fruit, easy to plunder for "advanced nations?"

Say, may be this is the TRUE reason why he is so much hated in the US?
That he prevented certain "plans" when it comes to Russia?

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Astana wasn't built by the Russians either
You mean this faceless city of sky-scrapers - yet another one built from metal and plastic?

No, not by the Russians of course. It's written "Western corporate stuff" all over it.

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Old 08-16-2018, 09:23 PM
 
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...and since we are talking about Kazakhstan ( and the USSR) - a little tribute to Victor Tsoi, who died on August 15th, back in 1990. ( He played the leading role in the movie The Needle, produced by Kazakh New Wave Films.




Blood Type ( translation of the lyrics is on Youtube)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8K0sW8GX-4

We are waiting for changes ( 1988)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU8csnZxdPA


The War (English subs are available)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo1g9n8yHyU

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Old 08-16-2018, 10:19 PM
 
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More news from one of the "stans," liberated from Russian oppression.
Unlike Kazakhstan, Tajikistan doesn't have any oil, so no Western corporations are lining up to build a new *Astana* there.
So something is taking place amid all this poverty and misery, to fill the void; namely - Islam.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8lCpwU3l1c
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